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A friend of mine is studying to become a vet, and she made this statement today, and it got me thinking. Perhaps it is? You can't ask an animal what's wrong, they can't choose their own medical treatment, perhaps it requires greater judgement?

The Universities near me require higher grades to get into Vet than into Medicine

Discuss.
#2
I thought you meant veteran

Oh, I'll take a vet over an M.D. any day. They gotta be able to cure a lizard, a chicken, a pig, a frog - all on the same day.
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#3
Well given the fact that you get different animals with different structures, I'm sure it is. However, the fact that you're dealing with animals and not "live people" is also a factor in your question.
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#4
I'd say it's easier, just because it's easier to make decision when there's animals involved.

Vet: Hmm, this looks bad (shit I have no idea what's wrong with him)

Vet: Oh well, we'll have to put him down!

I'm not implying Vet's are cruel or incompetent, but it is less stressful on that account.
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I'd say it's easier, just because it's easier to make decision when there's animals involved and you're negligent.

Vet: Hmm, this looks bad (shit I have no idea what's wrong with him)

Vet: Oh well, we'll have to put him down!

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#6
Animals tend to at times have sharp teeth and claws and react more violently when I poke them with my penis so I would go for doctor
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Animals tend to at times have sharp teeth and claws and react more violently when I poke them with my penis so I would go for doctor


Well if you were a doctor and a body builder walked in, and you decided to poke him with your penis, what kind of reaction do you think you'd get? I think I'd prefer claws.
#9
Medicine is harder to get into here than veterinary science, but in Ireland the difficulty of getting into courses has to do with supply and demand rather than anything else.

The Vets in my University used to have Hoodies that said "Real Doctors treat more than one species", which I guess has a point in that they have to understand the systems of a larger number of things. A Med student only has to learn about the Endocrine system once.

However, I think being a doctor is still harder. For one animals are sometimes put down etc, you simply don't have to try as hard as you do with a human. Much of what vets seem to do is not life saving operations or anything, rather other types of things like delivering calves neutering etc. There's simply not the same level of pressure as a doctor has.
At the end of a day if you can't figure out what's wrong you can always just go "oh well, sorry about that, I can put him down", doctors have no such option.
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#10
Well, when you study medicine you start off doing the basic/foundation medicine course, then specialise - into diagnostics, treatment, whatever G.Ps do, radiography, immuno-/neuro-/ortho- whateverics, et cetera. Rarely do you specialise in more than one area.

Veterinarians on the other hand become all of the above. For several species. You might specialise in small household domestics, horses or livestock, but you're still going to be dealing with more than one species (at the very least multiple breeds). So... all the specialised medical professions, multiplied by x species, squished into one course of study and one person. Fun!

And the patient you're treating - on the plus side - isn't going to be whinging, but - on the negative side - can't tell you a damn thing about what's going on. And might bite you if what you're doing hurts a lot.

However, I think being a doctor is still harder. For one animals are sometimes put down etc, you simply don't have to try as hard as you do with a human. Much of what vets seem to do is not life saving operations or anything, rather other types of things like delivering calves neutering etc. There's simply not the same level of pressure as a doctor has.

On the flipside of that, with a human you get just about all the resources and incentive necessary to try to save their life, no matter what. If they die - oh well, you did your best. With an animal, you might have your conscience begging you to try and save them, but - for example, when delivering a difficult calf - if it's taking to long and costing too much, the imperative is to put it down in the name of 'humane treatment' and efficiency/economy (a sickly calf or damaged heifer's no good to a farmer, it's just costing him money he can't spare). Or, you might be looking at an animal you know is going to be in chronic pain or a vegetable if you save it, but the owner is demanding furiously that you save their baby or they'll sue. Laws and societal conventions mean you don't even have to consider whether it's 'worthwhile' to save a human.
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#11
Of course it's more difficult.

There's all the animals, with different anatomies that you've got to know. All the different diseases etc. all the different treatments that some animals can have and some can't.
Then there's the decision of when putting them down is the best course of action.

Shit's gotta be hard yo.
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And the patient you're treating - on the plus side - isn't going to be whinging, but - on the negative side - can't tell you a damn thing about what's going on. And might bite you if what you're doing hurts a lot.

People sometimes bite too Also, you can't muzzle them, usually
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Well if you were a doctor and a body builder walked in, and you decided to poke him with your penis, what kind of reaction do you think you'd get? I think I'd prefer claws.


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getting into courses has to do with supply and demand rather than anything else.


I came into this thread to say this.

Our anatomy is infinitely more complicated than that of most animals but i haven't studied either so i'm not qualified to comment beyond that.
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human life is generally more 'preserved' so you won't have the pressure you do when you're operating on a dying human in the emergency room.

the disadvantages of being a vet have already been stated, though.
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More difficult in knowledge: yes, so much information and scenarios to understand
More difficult in practice: probably not, stress of protecting a human life
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#17
Kid chips his tooth -> give him chocolate -> happy child.
Puppy chips its tooth -> give him chocolate -> dead puppy.

I'd say it is, since every species has a different anatomy, and you need to be able to fix pretty much all of them. If you're a farm vet it would be different, since farmers don't actually give a shit about cow #24483 so long as they're not all dying.
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People sometimes bite too Also, you can't muzzle them, usually

You mean you don't like that
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i don't think vets just put anything down they can't figure out.
i had a vet friend who said it's harder. lots of organisms, lots of possibiliities.
although things like bird flu mean you can just kill all the animals rather than coming up with a cure to 'save' the humans.
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People sometimes bite too Also, you can't muzzle them, usually

That's what dental technicians are for, didn't you realise? They make individually customised muzzles...
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#21
Doctors might become responsible for another humans death, while vets wont have to worry about that. I think it's pretty clear.
#22
theres more than one type of animal....... vets need to know them all.

Ok not all of them but you get my point!
#23
The way i see it; doctors study one very complex anatomy in a very deep way, vets study a lot of simpler anatomies in a more shallow way.
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I came into this thread to say this.

Our anatomy is infinitely more complicated than that of most animals but i haven't studied either so i'm not qualified to comment beyond that.


What makes you day that?
Other than the brain structures i was under the impression that the basics are the same. For mammals at least.


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Doctors might become responsible for another humans death, while vets wont have to worry about that. I think it's pretty clear.


Vets have to have the same level of care for animals. You'd be surprised how far people are willing to go in memory of their pets. Sueing the vet isn't unheard of.
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What makes you day that?
Other than the brain structures i was under the impression that the basics are the same. For mammals at least.


Yeah you're right. I just checked.
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My cousin is in medical school to become a doctor and I was telling her I was thinking of doing something in veterinary medicine, and she said her teachers say it's much harder to become a vet than a doctor
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#28
Becoming a vet... No doubt that it is harder, there are much fewer vet schools (in the US at least) and they're generally more selective than med schools.

Actually being one, that's debatable.
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#29
The challenge of being a doctor is less the technical knowledge... most intelligent people could get a hang of the biology/chemistry of diagnosis and treatment, what makes the job hard is the pressure of dealing with peoples lives, as well as dealing with people themselves.

The pressure for healing a cat isn't the same as somebodies son or mother, you have to do absolutely everything to save a person... but a vet will often make the call not to continue with invasive surgery or painful recovery.
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I gotta admit, all the dentists I've been to are smug dicks.

There's quite a few of my friends who want to be dentists. When I ask why, all of them give the same reason "They make an outrageous amount of cash". Don't know how it's where you guys live, but they really do make a shitload here.
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Our anatomy is infinitely more complicated than that of most animals but i haven't studied either so i'm not qualified to comment beyond that.


I disagree, a dog has an olfactory system way more developed than a human does. Another I find harder about being a vet is that there isn't always all the technology available for them to cure animals, so they have to find other ways.

If you get sick and go to the hospital you'll pretty much be tested on a lot of things to help the doctor come up with a diagnosis. A vet doesn't that option most of the time, specially if he(she) is specialized in livestock.

On the other hand a M.D. often has to specialize further into an area, say cardiology. He'll (She'll) treat very complex ailments that put him (her) in a lot more pressure than a vet.
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Well there are reasons for it being true and for it being false. You do have to know all the anatomies of all the different animals, whereas being a doctor you only have to know the human body. Also, a vet's patients can't talk to them about what they're feeling and can't tell the vet what they want to do. However, decisions are a lot easier with animals. Obviously people get more attached to other people rather than animals for the most part. It's quite easy for a vet to say 'The best thing to do would be to put him/her down' comparable to a doctor having to say the same thing about humans. Also, I presume doctors feel worse when their patients die.
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I came into this thread to say this.

Our anatomy is infinitely more complicated than that of most animals but i haven't studied either so i'm not qualified to comment beyond that.

I fail to see how unless you're a brain surgeon or hand surgeon and need to be freakishly precise so you don't mess up someone's functioning. A dog's heart can't be all that dissimilar to a human's.
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#38
People are also attached to pets. Putting down animals left and right amounts basically to murder.

But sure, being a negligent uncaring assh*le of a vet is easier than being a negligent doctor.
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It's quite easy for a vet to say 'The best thing to do would be to put him/her down' comparable to a doctor having to say the same thing about humans. Also, I presume doctors feel worse when their patients die.



That depends on the person entirely. If a person doesn't care about putting down someone's beloved pet, then I guess he won't care much when some patient of his dies.

Though he might be worried more because of the higher possibilities of getting sued. But feelings wouldn't differ by that much.
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I would be a vet, but I'd never put an animal down. Someone else can do it. I like animals.


I couldn't either.
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