Poll: Does it Make A Difference To You?
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Yes
31 33%
No
63 67%
Voters: 94.
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#1
...buying something from someone who you thought was morally wrong? Or listening to their music? Does it make a difference to you or not?

Like if you liked and listened to Gary Glitter's music before he was found to be a child molester, do you think you would still listen to it after you found out?

Or if found out the founder of your favourite guitar shop was a racist or murderer, would you still shop there?
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#2
Yes, yes I would. Stuff like that wouldn't bother me. If it did then I wouldn't listen to 80% of the bands that I listen too.
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#3
If someone creates something that deeply resonates with me I can look past their personal problems and biases. I can let the work stand on it's own. That doesn't mean that I agree with the choices of the creator, just that they created something significant.
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#4
Buying a product of a bad person doesn't necessarily make you a bad person? If i fapped to the same porn some racist fapped to it doesnt make me a racist
#5
I don't listen to very much music made by scumbags seriously. Music is the pinnacle of human expression, so the person creating the music is just as important as the music itself. To ignore the artist and only focus on the art is rather shallow.
#6
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I don't listen to very much music made by scumbags seriously. Music is the pinnacle of human expression, so the person creating the music is just as important as the music itself. To ignore the artist and only focus on the art is rather shallow.


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#7
I do have some second thoughts about some of the stuff I listen to. A lot of good rap is, unfortunately, homophobic, and that rubs me the wrong way, even if the song in general is good.

If someone's scumbaggery has no impact on the music, however, then it doesn't matter to me.
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#8
Well I quite like Burzum, so I guess it doesn't bother me.
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#9
If I didn't listen to music that was created by people that held different beliefs than me, I probably would be like my mother and only listen to "uplifting" and "Christian" music all the time (not at all what I believe). Would really limit my intake on what I listen too. The only way I wouldn't buy something from someone is if what they wronged me, or what they did was aimed at me, or others like me. Then I would be forced to boycott their product or store.
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#10
It depends on the premise of the expression really.
I listen to a lot of music by people who I may not agree with the opinions of, hell, I probably don't agree with the message behind a lot of songs...but I can still like the song. Obviously not in a connected kind of way like in the case of a song that I fully agreed with and related with, but you don't just have to listen to music to immerse yourself fathoms deep into.
#11
This reminds me of the whole thing in the news about the News of the World just before it went bust, and the Co-op were debating over whether they wanted to advertise in the paper. The same shit happened when Tiger Woods got busted, with the Gillette adverts.

Personally I don't give the slightest ****.

Edit: Different opinions is a different matter, but I still listen to RATM and have watched every episode of Penn and Teller's Bullshit! to show how much that influences me too.
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#12
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I don't listen to very much music made by scumbags seriously. Music is the pinnacle of human expression, so the person creating the music is just as important as the music itself. To ignore the artist and only focus on the art is rather shallow.


why? you can know everything you need to know about an artist by listening to their music

i don't look up the wikipedia page of every band/artist i listen to, and i don't watch many interviews or look them up on gossip sites. i tend to avoid that kind of thing.
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#14
I think you can refuse to indulge in someone's art if they've done something against your morals but you can't deny their art with that personal bias. Art is its own entity, regardless of its creator.

Wagner may have railed against Jews, but I can't deny how artistically important and exceptional his music is. I could just never listen to it though.

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#15
It doesn't bother me, loads of the musicians I like are a bit dodgy and it's ok.
#16
If it's a musician, does the music reflect what they did? If not, I don't see any reason to stop listening to it.
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why? you can know everything you need to know about an artist by listening to their music

i don't look up the wikipedia page of every band/artist i listen to, and i don't watch many interviews or look them up on gossip sites. i tend to avoid that kind of thing.
Because music is a vastly wide form of expression. You have to look at the cultural identity of the piece of music -- the context, the values, the integrity -- to get full gratification from it. The person creating the music -- the person expressing themselves through the music -- is important just as the music is. Maybe not as important, though.

You can't just ignore negative implications of the music, as that is shallow. It'd be like saying Hitler was a great because he helped the infrastructure of Germany; you ca't just ignore the bad parts of the expression if you want to listen to music on anything more than a puerile level.

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#19
I like Burzum, I may not share the same beliefs as the man, nor do I condone the murder of another human being, but the man makes good music.
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#23
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It'd be like saying Hitler was a great because he helped the infrastructure of Germany


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You have to look at the cultural identity of the piece of music -- the context, the values, the integrity -- to get full gratification from it.


I wouldn't say it was necessary - It might help you get full gratification from an artist, but I wouldn't say you need it to enjoy the songs themselves.

I myself don't know anything about the artist's that wrote my two favourite songs - nor do I listen to the rest of their music, but I still like them more than any other songs where I happen to know all about the artist, as they stand alone so strongly.

I don't vet my music taste - as long as the songs themselves don't condone the bad things then it doesn't matter to me.
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I wouldn't say it was necessary - It might help you get full gratification from an artist, but I wouldn't say you need it to enjoy the songs themselves.

I myself don't know anything about the artist's that wrote my two favourite songs - nor do I listen to the rest of their music, but I still like them more than any other songs where I happen to know all about the artist, as they stand alone so strongly.

I don't vet my music taste - as long as the songs themselves don't condone the bad things then it doesn't matter to me.
You don't need to examine the artist to enjoy the songs, but to fully understand the expression that is the song, you do. Some people are content with listening to music from that perspective--that's fine. I just feel like they are robbing themselves the privilege and pleasure of exploiting the full potential of the most magnificent, moving form of human expression.
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#26
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Well I quite like Burzum, so I guess it doesn't bother me.

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#27
I'll read the wikipedia article about artists that I like, but I won't stop listening to their music if I find out that they weren't a great person. I've read that Captain Beefheart was a dick to his band members, but I still love his music. Chuck Berry, Leadbelly, Screaming Jay Hawkins, and John Lennon weren't/aren't very good people, but I still listen to their music.
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#28
Not music, but Chick-Fil-A regularly donates to anti-gay causes. That makes me not want to give them my business. Too bad their food is fucking delicious
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#29
I still listen to Eric Clapton despite his racist drunken outburst. While I don't share his views, I'm sure there have to be other artists I admire with opinions I find distasteful but are simply more quiet about them.
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#32
ZACH YOU'RE WRONG SHUT YOUR CRAP LOUSY FACE.


Not really, but I don't think you have to put yourself in the artist's shoes to fully enjoy the song. I think there's merit in that, but there's also a side of music open to personal interpretation. The song can mean one thing, but through certain memories and feelings, it can be something completely different to the listener, and I think that's much more important in certain songs.


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#33
it doesnt matteer one bit to me

ddo you listen to bands jusst because you think you may get along with the band members, even if their music sounds unpleasant as shit to you?
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#36
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it doesnt matteer one bit to me

ddo you listen to bands jusst because you think you may get along with the band members, even if their music sounds unpleasant as shit to you?
No.

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Not really, but I don't think you have to put yourself in the artist's shoes to fully enjoy the song. I think there's merit in that, but there's also a side of music open to personal interpretation. The song can mean one thing, but through certain memories and feelings, it can be something completely different to the listener, and I think that's much more important in certain songs.
You can certainly enjoy a song being ignorant to the artist, but you don't get the full experience that way.
#39
I might be incredibly shallow, but I find I can get quite an enjoyable experience out of a song without knowing who wrote it, what they did, what they believe, hell... even what they are saying in the lyrics and what they are trying to convey in their message. I have a very narrow view on music and only like a limited supply of sub-genres/bands because of this mindset. I listen for the music, especially the guitar. I can listen to a song many times and not even catch a word of what is being said. And when I do sometimes pay attention and hear the lyrics, they don't tell me a story or anything, I only hear individual phrases that are not connected to anything. Their message is completely lost on me. I only know the "meaning of" a few select songs because of stuff I've read or seen or found out from someone else, lol. Everyone's musical experience is completely different, just like everyone's tastes. Funny thing huh?
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#40
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No.

You can certainly enjoy a song being ignorant to the artist, but you don't get the full experience that way.

This, if i really like a musician then i'll end up looking up interviews with them, stuff they've said, all that kind of thing.

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This is all BS stuff. Blues is all about borrowing riffs and all that. Robert Johnson has a song called 'hellhounds on my trail' which is very similar to 'devil got my woman' by Skip James. He also did 'preachin blues' which was a Son House song.

Bo Diddley has a song called 'im a man' and Muddy Waters did 'mannish boy' with the same riff and structure.

Then as another example, the song 'the sky is crying' by Elmore James has an intro riff that was used by Muddy Waters on his version of the Willie Dixon song 'you shook me'. This was also the version that Led Zep based their one off.
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