#1
Im looking for a good delay pedal under 200$. Real nice sounding... I mostly use delay to play stuff like buckethead's Big Sur Moon ( I use that delay setting and play with it alot).

I found the aqua puss for +/- 150$. Should I hop on this or do you guys have any other suggestions?
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#2
I'd go with the MXR Carbon Copy instead. It's an updated version of the Aqua Puss, designed by the same guy. The reason the Aqua Puss wasn't reissued in the first wave of Way Huge reissues was that Jeorge Tripps, who designed the pedals, didn't think anybody would ever want an Aqua Puss when the Carbon Copy could do everything it did so much better.
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#3
Malekko 616 instead of either of those.
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#4
Thanks guys. Dida bit of research.

Forget the 616, can't find one. Not even on ebay.

As for the MXR carbon, from what I read people seem to be saying:

Which do you prefer: sparkly blue or sparkly green?

I guess they must be extremely similar. I read the Aqua puss has a much better sounding slapback delay, but the CC was better for long space echoes?

If thats the case I'd hop onto the Aqua puss, since I only like fast slapback delays that make anything sound cool
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#5
Quote by bluezombie
Thanks guys. Dida bit of research.

Forget the 616, can't find one. Not even on ebay.

As for the MXR carbon, from what I read people seem to be saying:

Which do you prefer: sparkly blue or sparkly green?

I guess they must be extremely similar. I read the Aqua puss has a much better sounding slapback delay, but the CC was better for long space echoes?

If thats the case I'd hop onto the Aqua puss, since I only like fast slapback delays that make anything sound cool


$150, boom.

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#6
Look into the Line 6 DL-4, you'll be able to get Buckethead tones easily with it (and I'm pretty sure he used a DL-4 at one point), also it's a very versatile delay with 16 modes. If you strictly want an analog delay check out the 616 as suggested.
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Look into the Line 6 DL-4, you'll be able to get Buckethead tones easily with it (and I'm pretty sure he used a DL-4 at one point), also it's a very versatile delay with 16 modes. If you strictly want an analog delay check out the 616 as suggested.

Came in to say this
#8
The Carbon Copy may share roots with the Aqua Puss but because of the changes sounds fairly different. The repeats are darker and it's a bit noisier (still very acceptable though) because of the longer delay time and different filtering on the repeats. Sounds pretty nice on its own but doesn't do good in a mix IMO. The Aqua Puss is fairly bright for an analog delay and doesn't have as much headroom in my experience. It stands out in a mix better though.

The Malekko Ekko 616 kind of combines the best of both. The repeats are warmer than the Aqua Puss but brighter than the Carbon Copy and it's modulation is more lush than the Carbon Copy. Noise floor is about the same as the Carbon Copy and it's got about the same amount of headroom. Also has buffered/true bypass switch if you're interested in that.

But, over anything else sub $449 for a Timeline, I'd grab a TC Electronics Flashback for $169 new. Does all the delay sounds most people want and it does them very nicely. Plus you can download extra Toneprints (only 1 at a time though) that are made by artists in collaboration with TC. Only downside is it doesn't have tap tempo but neither do the Aqua Puss or Carbon Copy. And batteries last approximately 3 minutes due to the high current draw but you've gotta be crazy to use a battery with a delay, digital in particular. I really can't say enough about the Flashback though. If I didn't grab a Timeline when they were released, I never would have sold mine.
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#9
Thanks guys i'll listen to some demo's of the 616
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#10
I have the 616, great delay, and lots of fun too.

However for that Big Sur Moon kinda sound, to get the right speed/settings, would you want a tap tempo of sorts? Was that song using dotted 8ths? A delay with tap tempo would make those sort of timings a lot easier, especially if it had a dotted 8th setting.

However most tap delays are digital, unless you go really high end (or wait for the Malekko 919, if it ever comes out haha).
There is also the EHX Deluxe Memory Boy, but i really didn't like the sound of it when i tried it out.
#11
Malekko is by far the best sounding delay I have ever played period!

EDIT : The GC I work at is stocking the 616 so if you end up interested in it. Shoot me a message!
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#12
I'm really impressed with the TC flashback, had it a couple of weeks. The 2290, analogue and modulation modes are spot on. The 'audio tap tempo' is handy aswell. You would have to spend alot more to get better IMO.

At the very least you should check out the demo video on YouTube, its very good.
#13
Quote by bluezombie
Thanks guys. Dida bit of research.

Forget the 616, can't find one. Not even on ebay.

As for the MXR carbon, from what I read people seem to be saying:

Which do you prefer: sparkly blue or sparkly green?

I guess they must be extremely similar. I read the Aqua puss has a much better sounding slapback delay, but the CC was better for long space echoes?

If thats the case I'd hop onto the Aqua puss, since I only like fast slapback delays that make anything sound cool

Try PGS or ToneFactor. Also look at a Lo-Fi 616.
#14
Quote by mmolteratx
The Carbon Copy may share roots with the Aqua Puss but because of the changes sounds fairly different. The repeats are darker and it's a bit noisier (still very acceptable though) because of the longer delay time and different filtering on the repeats. Sounds pretty nice on its own but doesn't do good in a mix IMO. The Aqua Puss is fairly bright for an analog delay and doesn't have as much headroom in my experience. It stands out in a mix better though.

The Malekko Ekko 616 kind of combines the best of both. The repeats are warmer than the Aqua Puss but brighter than the Carbon Copy and it's modulation is more lush than the Carbon Copy. Noise floor is about the same as the Carbon Copy and it's got about the same amount of headroom. Also has buffered/true bypass switch if you're interested in that.

But, over anything else sub $449 for a Timeline, I'd grab a TC Electronics Flashback for $169 new. Does all the delay sounds most people want and it does them very nicely. Plus you can download extra Toneprints (only 1 at a time though) that are made by artists in collaboration with TC. Only downside is it doesn't have tap tempo but neither do the Aqua Puss or Carbon Copy. And batteries last approximately 3 minutes due to the high current draw but you've gotta be crazy to use a battery with a delay, digital in particular. I really can't say enough about the Flashback though. If I didn't grab a Timeline when they were released, I never would have sold mine.

I have a Flashback and it's a fantastic pedal. While it doesn't have proper tap tempo, it has audio tap tempo where you hold down the switch and strum your guitar to the proper tempo. The analog and tape sounds are very usable in a band situation as well.

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Quote by bluezombie
Thanks guys. Dida bit of research.

Forget the 616, can't find one. Not even on ebay.

As for the MXR carbon, from what I read people seem to be saying:

Which do you prefer: sparkly blue or sparkly green?

I guess they must be extremely similar. I read the Aqua puss has a much better sounding slapback delay, but the CC was better for long space echoes?

If thats the case I'd hop onto the Aqua puss, since I only like fast slapback delays that make anything sound cool


Hi everyone! Remington from Dunlop here,

Just wanted to let you know that you can get very similar tones to the Aqua Puss from the Carbon Copy by using a 18v power supply instead of a 9v.

The Carbon Copy can be ran at any voltage between 9 and 18 volts. Although internally the Carbon Copy is designed to regulate the voltage back down to 9 volts, it's not 100% perfect therefore it will be running at a voltage slightly higher than 9 volts. The increased voltage will reduce the decay effect and make the delay repeats increasingly more present/brighter, more defined/clear, and slightly louder as you increase the voltage from 9 volts up to 18 volts. Make sure to back down on the "mix" and "regen" knobs as the increase in voltage tends to make these knobs more sensitive.
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Quote by stradivari310
I have a Flashback and it's a fantastic pedal. While it doesn't have proper tap tempo, it has audio tap tempo where you hold down the switch and strum your guitar to the proper tempo. The analog and tape sounds are very usable in a band situation as well.


Ya, but the strum tempo is a bit of a PITA to use quickly. At least in my experience. Maybe I didn't mess with it enough though.

Quote by Remington_A
Hi everyone! Remington from Dunlop here,

Just wanted to let you know that you can get very similar tones to the Aqua Puss from the Carbon Copy by using a 18v power supply instead of a 9v.

The Carbon Copy can be ran at any voltage between 9 and 18 volts. Although internally the Carbon Copy is designed to regulate the voltage back down to 9 volts, it's not 100% perfect therefore it will be running at a voltage slightly higher than 9 volts. The increased voltage will reduce the decay effect and make the delay repeats increasingly more present/brighter, more defined/clear, and slightly louder as you increase the voltage from 9 volts up to 18 volts. Make sure to back down on the "mix" and "regen" knobs as the increase in voltage tends to make these knobs more sensitive.


Very cool. Never tried that when I was borrowing one.
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#18
Should I get the regular EKKO 616 or this one ?
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#20
Troof.

The Lo-fi looks and sounds freaking eargasmic.

Remmington, thanks for the heads up on that. I'll let my friend know who had issues with his Carbon Copy saying it was too "dark". So then theoretically, couldn't you "darken" up the tone and make it more lo-fi sounding by sagging the voltage in the pedal?
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#21
Quote by mmolteratx
Ya, but the strum tempo is a bit of a PITA to use quickly. At least in my experience. Maybe I didn't mess with it enough though.

Typically I hold down the footswitch before a song starts and strum twice while the drummer is clicking the beginning tempo. But YMMV I suppose. Many of my parts don't actually require rhythmic delay anyway.

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#22
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Remmington, thanks for the heads up on that. I'll let my friend know who had issues with his Carbon Copy saying it was too "dark". So then theoretically, couldn't you "darken" up the tone and make it more lo-fi sounding by sagging the voltage in the pedal?


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#23
Quote by LaidBack
Troof.

The Lo-fi looks and sounds freaking eargasmic.

Remmington, thanks for the heads up on that. I'll let my friend know who had issues with his Carbon Copy saying it was too "dark". So then theoretically, couldn't you "darken" up the tone and make it more lo-fi sounding by sagging the voltage in the pedal?


Complete trial and error for every new effect circuit IME, analog pedals get woolier and darker with enough sag, but the "lo-fi" distortion might be unbearable at that point--a lot of circuits start to hiss and get unpleasant distortion rather than glitch out in an awesome way.

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I put my home made voltage vampire box in front of everything, and very few gems aside from fuzz face and muff circuits actually shine through with glitchy goodness.


Sorry for reviving a dead thread, but I was wondering if you could explain "voltage vampire box" and the benefits of using one?

Thanks
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Sorry for reviving a dead thread, but I was wondering if you could explain "voltage vampire box" and the benefits of using one?

Thanks


It's basically something you use to knock down the voltage the pedals are receiving in order to emulate certain sounds. People like Eric Johnson and Duane Allman are known for using dying batteries or lower voltage batteries in order to get certain sounds out of fuzz and distortion pedals. Some pedals may just not work outright if they don't have the required voltage, but with others, you get a very interesting sound out of them.
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It's basically something you use to knock down the voltage the pedals are receiving in order to emulate certain sounds. People like Eric Johnson and Duane Allman are known for using dying batteries or lower voltage batteries in order to get certain sounds out of fuzz and distortion pedals. Some pedals may just not work outright if they don't have the required voltage, but with others, you get a very interesting sound out of them.


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