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can anyone give me an example of a modal song? I'm just curious because I've never heard one.
P.S. I need an actual modal song, not a major/minor key with accidentals.
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#2
i think almost all Dream Theater songs are modal and they are easy to hear within them
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i think almost all Dream Theater songs are modal and they are easy to hear within them

Give me the name of a song and the name of the mode.
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#8
Glad you enjoyed that one kids.

What's the chord progression of the song?
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#9
I threw out a TON of modal examples here, start reading at post #30 and continue on through pages of modal application material: https://www.ultimate-guitar.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1360923&page=2&highlight=mikedodge+modal+application
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#10
I hear Bach wrote some modal chorales (and possibly fugues?) I've never taken the time, but if you search the almighty Internet you'll probably turn up some names.

You can write some very simple modal tunes of your own through species counterpoint. It's a worthwhile endeavor and not too difficult to pick up on the rules. The cantus firmi you'd be harmonizing with are often old--I'm talking oooooold--ecclesiastical chants.
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#11
Here's an example with all 7: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d5lYaUoksJA&playnext=1&list=PL7C814D43F37B9ABB

Just go through the playlist.

And Os Justi by Anton Bruckner is in F Lydian.

Scarborough Fair by Simon and Garfunkle is in D Dorian if I'm not mistaken... I think it's D...

That's all that I can think of off the top of my head
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I hear Bach wrote some modal chorales (and possibly fugues?) I've never taken the time, but if you search the almighty Internet you'll probably turn up some names.

Credo in Unum Deum from the B minor mass. Based on a Gregorian chant as the cantus firmus.
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if you search the almighty Internet you'll probably turn up some names.

The problem with the almighty internet is that most people on the internet have no idea about what they're talking about. Like I said in the OP, most people will suggest major or minor keys with accidentals when asked about modes.
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The problem with the almighty internet is that most people on the internet have no idea about what they're talking about. Like I said in the OP, most people will suggest major or minor keys with accidentals when asked about modes.


That's true, but you can likely find reputable classical-based sources on the subject. Find something from a university's website: they often post handouts and study guides online that you can back-door through Google. A large percentage of the mode confusion comes from guitarists and other popular music advocates.

You might like to try "The Only Classical/Orchestral Thread" on this very forum and ask for the names of some modal Bach (and other early classical) pieces.
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i think almost all Dream Theater songs are modal and they are easy to hear within them

No, they're not.
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#16
My Lagan Love, a traditional Irish song in the mixolydian mode, has been recorded by many artists.
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The problem with the almighty internet is that most people on the internet have no idea about what they're talking about. Like I said in the OP, most people will suggest major or minor keys with accidentals when asked about modes.


good! you know this already. so you know to dismiss the dream theater suggestion.

d5's suggestions are pretty good. give them a shot.
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#18
thanks everyone. Now, can someone give me some modern examples?
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#19
I have a question. This track here says it is in A dorian but doesn't it sound too tonal?? So is it really A dorian ( I think it is actually A mixolydian though , seems there was a typo or something)

I just wanna know if this track is tonal or modal

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wdg8NlRvkQY
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#20
Its a bVII and I in A major, with a IV and bIII. Definitely closer to what you said than Dorian...you mean the internetz got it wrong?

and this one....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9SdUMZGGkcc&feature=related

Is in the key of F Major...

LOL - Way to populate the Internet with misinformation

Go forth, You Tube "experts"

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I have a question. This track here says it is in A dorian but doesn't it sound too tonal?? So is it really A dorian ( I think it is actually A mixolydian though , seems there was a typo or something)

I just wanna know if this track is tonal or modal

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wdg8NlRvkQY

I've had issues with some backing tracks online. They'll say one thing, but then imply another.

I would just stick to straight pentatonics over that. Nothing modal about it.

About Dream Theater, they're not modal in and of themselves but they do have some modal sections. Like, listen to The Count of Tuscany starting from 1:02. There's a very obvious Lydian section right there. It ends pretty quickly, but it's there.

I'm trying to think of more songs that use modes... I've written a song that uses Phrygian, but it's orchestral. I have another that has a Phrygian section starting at 4:20 and ends at 5:27. There really isn't much in terms of modern modal music.

I'll try and keep you updated if I can think of any. Honestly though, you'll be hard-pressed to find an ACTUAL modal song.

Quickly! I just thought of some more: The first theme (and most recognizable one) is in Lydian. Stone Tower Temple is in E Phrygian.

That's all I got for now though As you can tell, I really like Phrygian
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I hear Bach wrote some modal chorales (and possibly fugues?) I've never taken the time, but if you search the almighty Internet you'll probably turn up some names.


Not really. He wrote tonal chorales based on modal cantus firmi. As a result of trying to make a modal melody fit in a tonal context, the cadences often sound quite awkward, and phrases can modulate almost violently, sometimes even in the first phrase (though that's not exclusive to Bach's modal chorales).

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Credo in Unum Deum from the B minor mass. Based on a Gregorian chant as the cantus firmus.


That's still tonal.
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Not really. He wrote tonal chorales based on modal cantus firmi. As a result of trying to make a modal melody fit in a tonal context, the cadences often sound quite awkward, and phrases can modulate almost violently, sometimes even in the first phrase (though that's not exclusive to Bach's modal chorales).


Allright then. I guess, TS, you're going to have to go even farther back to find some good modal examples.
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#26
You can fake to hear modes.
How?
Take a song like Paul Gilbert's technical difficulties.
Only listen to like the first 4-5 seconds of guitar, that uses a tritone which will give you a small vibe of lydian.
That's how I THOUGHT I was right on my part.
Also you can go to David Lee Roth's Goin' Crazy, and skip to the solo.
Which is, only if listened to the solo mixolydian.
This isn't true modal but it will give you a small vibe.
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You can fake to hear modes.
How?
Take a song like Paul Gilbert's technical difficulties.
Only listen to like the first 4-5 seconds of guitar, that uses a tritone which will give you a small vibe of lydian.
That's how I THOUGHT I was right on my part.
Also you can go to David Lee Roth's Goin' Crazy, and skip to the solo.
Which is, only if listened to the solo mixolydian.
This isn't true modal but it will give you a small vibe.
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That would be a VERY small vibe of Lydian. I'm sure he's looking for true pure modal music.
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That would be a VERY small vibe of Lydian. I'm sure he's looking for true pure modal music.


Yeah, it's likely just some suggestive modal playing. Very useful and perhaps the most common application of modal scales.
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Isn't the MJ song in mixo?

Indeed, I don't know why everyone was making fun of you when the song actually appears to be modal.
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Quote by soviet_ska
Yeah, it's likely just some suggestive modal playing. Very useful and perhaps the most common application of modal scales.

So, I said something accurate again?
#31
Quote by Flibo
That would be a VERY small vibe of Lydian. I'm sure he's looking for true pure modal music.

Well the DLR goin crazy solo on itself is in mixolydian.
The song was in D major.
EDIT:Forgot to mention the point that solo is longer.
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#32
Any Colour You Like by Pink Floyd is in the Dorian mode, the only chords are i and IV.

Eleanor Rigby is said to be in dorian, but I've never done an analysis of it.
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Any Colour You Like by Pink Floyd is in the Dorian mode, the only chords are i and IV.


The IV is probably just derived from Melodic Minor. They mostly stick to i and IV on "Another Brick in the Wall, Pt. II" as well.
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Quote by soviet_ska
The IV is probably just derived from Melodic Minor. They mostly stick to i and IV on "Another Brick in the Wall, Pt. II" as well.


i was just about to say the exact same thing.
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#36
What about Sweet Child O mine. Is that modal? D Mixolydian...seems like it resolved to D a lot and uses chords diatonic to D Mixolydian.
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What about Sweet Child O mine. Is that modal? D Mixolydian...seems like it resolved to D a lot and uses chords diatonic to D Mixolydian.

I know this isn't the pit, but, lolwut?
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#38
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I know this isn't the pit, but, lolwut?

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What about Sweet Child O mine. Is that modal? D Mixolydian...seems like it resolved to D a lot and uses chords diatonic to D Mixolydian.


you mean C#, right? musicians go by more than fret numbers on a guitar.

i'd be more inclined to call it C# major with the B as an accidental. i guess you can argue that it's C# mixolydian, though, and you wouldn't technically be wrong. but looking at it using a holistic musical perspective, 9 times out of 10 you'd look at it as being in a key with the use of accidentals.
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