#1
So I'm wondering if you can push a tube head hard enough just by itself (no boost) to where it damages itself. Here's why I ask:

I had an Orange Tiny Terror (7w/15w) and was using it running into an Orange 2x12PPC cab, and was rehearsing with my metalcore band in a room where I needed to crank the volume all the way up and gain almost all the way as well, to be heard over the other guitarist's 6505+. About an hour into rehearsal, my Tiny Terror started to cut in and out randomly, going completely silent for short intervals. (Did it at low volumes as well afterwards.) I know it wasn't my guitar/cable/cab or anything as I tested it all out by switching everything. Long story short I had the GC Pro Coverage so I took it back and got a new replacement Tiny Terror.

So, by cranking the TT all the way up, was it hurting itself? (I always let it warm up for about 5 minutes like Orange says to before playing) Can an amp be too powerful for its own good?

Just curious, haven't experienced any problems with the replacement TT I got, but also haven't pushed it that hard since either. Thanks for any input.
#2
When you are running tube amps flat out, you are placing a greater strain on the vacuum tubes. If you are using the stock cheapo tubes that came with your amp (often poor-quality chinese tubes), there is a very good chance they will fail when placed under this stress. If you were having volume drops, your power tubes could very well be on the way out/knackered. If you are going to flog your amp that hard, get some good quality JAN tubes in there from way-back-when, they are far more durable than modern tubes, especially budget ones that amp manufacturers tend to throw in the low wattage 'cheaper' tube amps.
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#3
I never thought it was good to push an amp that hard, for long periods of time, even though pushing a tube amp gives it "that" sound. Other may prove me wrong, because I don't really know a great deal about amps, but full gain and full volume for long periods of time seems like a recipe for disaster, IMO.

Also, why not get an amp with better headroom and suitability for metalcore?
#4
Thanks for the input guys, I'll check into some new tubes for the TT perhaps.

And I've got a JVM210 for gigging, its just nice to only have to carry in a tiny head and 2x12 for rehearsals.
#5
heard that.

check out JJ's, i really like their EL84's.
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#6
I wouldn't worry about ruining a Tiny Terror.


It can't get much worse than it already is.
Everyone is entitled to an opinion.

Feel free to express yours so I can make an informed judgement about how stupid you are.
#7
damn people hate those things. i used mine for about 2 years... it was great for what it was and where i was at. it was also before the affordable 'lunchbox' amp explosion.

i got tired of no headroom after a while, but it was the first amp i owned that i could actually drive into feedback and that has influenced me ever since.
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#8
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I wouldn't worry about ruining a Tiny Terror.


It can't get much worse than it already is.


Hah, I actually really enjoy my TT. It's got good cleans (though not enough headroom like stated) and the crunch is fantastic. I would never run it as my main amp, but for a head that only cost around $600 it does what I want it to.
#9
Running it harder will wear things out faster (tubes, speakers, etc) but it won't cause a catastrophic failure just by the act of doing it unless there is a manufacturing fault. Really, it will just mean that you will be going through power tubes a bit faster but EL84's are pretty cheap. It sounds like yours is due for some new ones now.
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#10
i well built and designed amp should not have a problem with being run full bore.

I play with my amp up to maximum pretty often and i am yet to have any problems.
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Quote by Cathbard
Running it harder will wear things out faster (tubes, speakers, etc) but it won't cause a catastrophic failure just by the act of doing it unless there is a manufacturing fault. Really, it will just mean that you will be going through power tubes a bit faster but EL84's are pretty cheap. It sounds like yours is due for some new ones now.


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