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#1
Hey guys, I've had a flick through the stickys but could do with some extra clarification if anyone can help

I need a new amp. My budget is around £100 ($140ish?) and I've been playing around 8 months, with decent progress for that length of time. I play a pretty basic (okay very basic) Aria STG.

Been looking at the Roland Cube 30x as have heard great things about it, but i can't find a decent deal on it right now. There's a Frontman 25R in my local selling store second hand as well as a Marshall VS30 for £100 and £65 respectively.

However, this morning i stumbled across a Line 6 Spider III 75 watt second-hand for only £85 and that comes with a switching pedal also...

I know the sticky said to avoid the Spider III (too 'digital' apparently) but this just seems too good to pass up - what do you guys think? I'm going down to the music store later today to have a go on a few just to see what i think of each of them too.

Thanks, Meikle
#3
No.

Just, no.
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#4
i'm going to say things about the spider; but since you're going to the store just buy what sounds good to you.
#5
Now I have no idea about prices, but I know that peavey vypers get a lot of good rep for being a decent cheap amp. Spiders get a lot of bad things said about them. I'd personally get the roland cube over it but I don't really know much about what else to look for at that budget

What kind of music by the way?

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Should clarify... Whilst the spider gets a lot of hate, for a beginner looking for a decent starting amp I don't think it's that bad. However 75 watts seems a bit excessive
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#6
look into getting a Peavey Vypyr 30 maybe? I have a 15 watt one and it is so much better than the spiders and i have definitely played on both types. what Genre do you play?
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#7
I gave mine away (Spider III). It was alright to practice with, but I just didn't care for it. At all.
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#8
Put it this way, the only way you should ever own a spider is if some one pays YOU many monies to take it.
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#9
spiders have a bit of an electro-static quality to the tone that you will eventually start to find annoying and hate, if the amp doesn't irrepairably break down before you notice it.

they can do the job if that's all you need them to, but they are horribly unreliable and there are practically no amp techs out there who know how to repair them when they do screw up.
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#10
No, not the spider and the frontman. The Roland cube is better than the frontman and the spider. It has a great metal and clean tone and is very durable. I'd save up for the cube if I were you.
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#11
i have a spider. youll regret it next year. its horrible.
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#12
£100 isn't a lot.


If you get that amp, just be aware it isn't the best sounding amp, but if its all in working condition go for it. With 75 watts it would be able cope with playing with other people. Not to mention the effects and models will give you lots to experiment with.

I say go for it

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#13
jump all over it man!

for only 85 quid you cant go wrong!
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#14
I don't see all the hate on it, sure it's not the best, for 85 hell i'd have one.
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#15
that's what i'd have thought... they're not great, but for £85 and with teh pedal too? you'll struggle to do much better...
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#16
^yep, my only concern really is reliability.

it wouldn't be fun to spend £85 on an amp and have it break down after a couple of weeks and have no warranty or anything to fall back on - that would be a waste of £85.

that doesn't mean it necessarily will break down, though, i know several people who haven't had problems with them ever, but i know nearly as many who have.
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#17
oh yeah, sure.
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^yep, my only concern really is reliability.

it wouldn't be fun to spend £85 on an amp and have it break down after a couple of weeks and have no warranty or anything to fall back on - that would be a waste of £85.

that doesn't mean it necessarily will break down, though, i know several people who haven't had problems with them ever, but i know nearly as many who have.



Yeah but for £85 you wont get anything new thats worth having a warranty on either

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#19
i dunno. i mean if you buy from someone like dv247 you'll get a 4-year warranty. i mean isn't the 15 watt vypyr around the hundred pound mark? also some of the mini modellers which can be quite good.

granted if you need volume they're not going to work.
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#20
Yeah, true but DV247 are cunts


in all honestly I wuld take a 2nd hand 75 watt spider over the 15 watt Vypyr

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Yeah but for £85 you wont get anything new thats worth having a warranty on either

that is a good point. but that doesn't make it less of a waste of money if the amp does break down or maybe isn't even working properly to begin with
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#22
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Yeah, true but DV247 are cunts


in all honestly I wuld take a 2nd hand 75 watt spider over the 15 watt Vypyr




i never had any problem with them, but then again i only bought a couple of cheap things online from them.

thomann, then. 3 year warranty, pretty good to deal with.

but yeah i mean for anything other than bedroom playing (and even then) the spider is probably better for that kind of money.
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#23
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jump all over it man!

for only 85 quid you cant go wrong!

Jumping on the Spider is the only thing you should do with one
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#26
i'm with blomp on the reliability concern.

we had more spider SS amps come through for repair than any other single model of amp over the period of a year.

i should have made a chart.

actually, we had about an equal amount of spider SS amps as all other amps combined. (every amp can need repair over time, it's just the law of musical instruments).

i'd pass for the sake of not losing the cash, even though it's not a lot of money, it's money that could be better used by saving more of it.

good luck.
#27
I have a Spider III 75 watt. I'm going to get another amp as soon as I can. I don't mind the sound, in fact, for the type of music I play, it sounds good if I customize the settings. But the amp is made from cheap materials, which is evident within the input jack. I have broken that thing countless times, in fact it's broken right now so I'm using POD Farm, it uses a plastic nut which easily gets undone. If you can get it for 85 currencies, I'd suggest doing it. But save up so you can get a better amp.
#28
I'd rather just go for a MFX unit and just plug it into computer speakers, but its up to you.

If you like it, go for it, as long as its working.

In the end it's not a huge amount of money, assuming you have a job. If not, I'd just put it in my piggybank, and aim for a higher end amp, and call it a day.

#29
I think you can get more firewood from the local Sainsburys with 85 quid than getting a Spuder. Plus the Sainsburys' firewood will be better quality than a Spuder.
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Oh, also I forgot to give you one piece of advice about con-men.

If a deal is too good to be true. It probably is. Getting a good tone out of a Spider is like a fairy tale or a fable. It doesn't happen in real life.
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#31
sell you my spider3 150watt with the 4 pedal stomp box for £100 if you want it or got a marshall vs100r with pedal and cover for £100 if prefer that
#32
I had A spider 3 and I now have the Spider valve mkII The spider 3 was a good amp the noise gate sucked but that was about it. If you can't get yours to sounds good then you are doing something wrong. They aren't the best quality but at that price range what is? Besides where else are you going to get those effects at that price? If you want better gear you have to pay more. If you want those effects you have to pay more. If you want better sound you have to pay more. For the price its great. And every one hate thier first amp any way. I say go buy it.
#33
Im not a huge fan of the Spider series but i DO own the spider 3 120watt. Since you haven't been playing very long the spider OR the Roland cube would both be good amps for you. Allot of people hate on the spiders cuz yes they are extremely digital sounding.

But they are great for learning about different effects and how to use them creatively as well as give you more appreciation for better sounding amps in the future when you upgrade your gear. I personally thing the Spiders are great starting points for new players who are still learning the basics of all the options out there for tone and effects
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#34
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Besides where else are you going to get those effects at that price?


A Vypyr or a Cube, both of which are infinitely better amps.
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#38
Hey guys thanks so much for all the responses, that's really helpful! I should mention I'm only 16 so obviously don't have a proper job, which makes that 85 all the more enticing... I play all sorts: RHCP, some blues, some metal so I guess an all-rounder makes sense.

I'd rather buy second hand but I can see that could cause warranty problems :/

Also, are Spiders really that bad for a beginner? I can see why advanced guitarists would stay away from them but...
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#39
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Hey guys thanks so much for all the responses, that's really helpful! I should mention I'm only 16 so obviously don't have a proper job, which makes that 85 all the more enticing... I play all sorts: RHCP, some blues, some metal so I guess an all-rounder makes sense.

I'd rather buy second hand but I can see that could cause warranty problems :/

Also, are Spiders really that bad for a beginner? I can see why advanced guitarists would stay away from them but...


still pretty bad for a beginner, when i started, i used mine for like, 7 months until I realised it was a complete pile of aids and then brought a 6505 combo.

Probably best to just save for something better

edit: if i didnt play metal it probably would of a lasted a little longer, the metal/insane channel actually does sound like a swarm of bees getting raped
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#40
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No.

Just, no.


For beginners, maybe. But in the long run ^^^ NOOOOO.

I currently have a Spider III 75w sitting in my room. It has no purpose besides being a true bypass amp. I use it as a stage monitor, that's basically it.
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