#1
I have EMG85 (neck) and EMG81(bridge) in my Godin Redline 3. I'm having trouble getting nice sounds. I can't get good cleans. The cleans sound muffled. I'm playing it through a Marshall MG30DFX (yes I know it's rubbish but I got it free) and sometimes I would go play it through a Peavey Special 212. How can I get good cleans? Changing amp is out of the question.
#2
I've always stayed away from the EMGs, not an active pup sort of guy. Just keep screwing with the settings on the amp or try some pedals out is my suggestion. Make sure you also change the battery frequently on those actives. Sometimes a new full battery can liven it up a bit.
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Quote by zakarii
I have EMG85 (neck) and EMG81(bridge) in my Godin Redline 3. I'm having trouble getting nice sounds. I can't get good cleans. The cleans sound muffled. I'm playing it through a Marshall MG30DFX (yes I know it's rubbish but I got it free) and sometimes I would go play it through a Peavey Special 212. How can I get good cleans? Changing amp is out of the question.



Then get new pickups.
EMG's are not really good for clean stuff.
#5
do some EQing and lower the gain. If you get break up lower gain, and maybe lower the volume knob a bit. Ive never had any problems getting good cleans with my EMG guitar. and if you still dont like the cleans after lots of EQing and testing, srry but the problems the amp.
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Like bustapr said..... you could lower the gain. That always seem to clear up the cleans.
#7
it's because it is a solid state amp, active pickups are designed to drive tubes, get yourself a small tube amp and it'll sound great, a lot of people claim emgs are bad for cleans, i like the refer to these people as 'people who have never used emgs', they were initially designed to get the best clean sounds for jazz guitarists, and they still do the trick
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yes, anyone who says theyre bad for cleans are bandwagoning the myth. And theyre not really bad on SS amps either, IMO i have a godly clean tone on my vypyr 30
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#9
Hate to say but it's probably your amp. I got EMGs on my guitar with a Marshall MG50 DFX amp and also get a muffled clean sound, it might just be the series of amps.
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You need good gear to have good tone. Your amp sucks. Harsh, but that's all there is to it, really. You could make it sound better if you didn't have active pickups, since as said above they don't really work well with solid state amps. But it's not really worth swapping pickups unless you have a decent amp. Your amp is the single most important part of your tone.
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#12
Its definitely the amp

i know, i have one

Cleans are always kinda muffled and OD sounds like a really bad fuzz pedal
#13
try rolling down your guitar's volume control

aside from that, amp's probably the problem.
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#14
You're playing EMG's through a Marshall MG and want good tone/ good cleans without changing your amp or pups.



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It's not possible without at least an amp change (IMHO, you should get rid of your trash amp AND your garbage pickups, but that's another thread entirely.)
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It's not possible without at least an amp change (IMHO, you should get rid of your trash amp AND your garbage pickups, but that's another thread entirely.)



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I don't think Cleans and Marshall MG go together. What I would say is keep searching the internet for a good cheap tube amp and sell that MG. If that is out of the question then I don't really know what you can do! IMO EMG's sound good clean, but that's just me
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EMGs aren't meant for small solid state amps. You want either a tube amp, a much bigger professional solid state amp or a change to passive pickups. You could simply roll the volume down on your guitar which at least takes care of the crazy output but the tone will still sound very flat and boring.
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I'm having trouble getting nice sounds.


Hm, lemme see if I can find your problem...

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I have EMG85 (neck) and EMG81(bridge).


There it is!
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I used to get excellent cleans with my EMG 81 81 set up, by themselves, the 81 sounds bad, but when you put them together(middle position) they sound beautiful at cleans, the 81 gives you your treble, and the 81 or 85 in the neck gives the bass end of the spectrum, and it just all meshes together perfectly.

This is coming from a guy who plays Bareknuckle pickups, I love EMG's, but I just got tired of em, because they are sterile, but they do not sound bad by any means.

TS, your amp sucks, get a new one, bottom line.
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Ya I have the same set the cleans blow... I've tryed a lot of different things and they almost sound like they are bottoming out. I would get different pick ups The death Bucker from lace is good passisve but great metal tones and cleans.
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Quote by zakarii
I have EMG85 (neck) and EMG81(bridge) in my Godin Redline 3. I'm having trouble getting nice sounds. I can't get good cleans. The cleans sound muffled. I'm playing it through a Marshall MG30DFX (yes I know it's rubbish but I got it free) and sometimes I would go play it through a Peavey Special 212. How can I get good cleans? Changing amp is out of the question.


I use the EMG 60 in the neck and get pretty nice cleans out of my Peavey Transtube 112. I once had an MG series 100 watt head and I didn't care for the clean tone on that amp. It had a muffled sound like you described.

On your clean channel, turn everything to 0 and start from there. Play around with the knobs and figure out what sounds like crap, what sounds a little better and then what sounds best. I do this and I normally achieve a decent or really good sound.

I never cared for the EMG 85. It sounded a bit too boomy for me. And the 81 in the neck is too bright and thin, in my opinion. The 60 has the right tone, I think. It provides great clean and lead tones, but it all boils down to what your settings are. Good luck.
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Then get new pickups.
EMG's are not really good for clean stuff.


Bullshit. I can get the nicest cleans you could imagine with my EMGs. It's all about knowing how to EQ. Chorus and reverb help as well.
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Bullshit. I can get the nicest cleans you could imagine with my EMGs. It's all about knowing how to EQ. Chorus and reverb help as well.


hmm.... maybe just the amp I played on.
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hmm.... maybe just the amp I played on.


Meh, I can get my MG10CD to sound amazing. Then again, I am running my M9 before it. :P
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^You can probably get the best cleans possible for a set of EMG's if you EQ like you say, but no matter what, it won't really compare to an equally priced, equally well EQed passive's cleans. I've tried EMGs extensively, I have a particular group of friends who all run around in their own little Grindcore bands and use ESPs with EMGs and back when I pretty much only played Metal, I wanted to love them but just couldn't. To my ears they're just flat, sterile, and overall a poor tone.

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^You can probably get the best cleans possible for a set of EMG's if you EQ like you say, but no matter what, it won't really compare to an equally priced, equally well EQed passive's cleans. I've tried EMGs extensively, I have a particular group of friends who all run around in their own little Grindcore bands and use ESPs with EMGs and back when I pretty much only played Metal, I wanted to love them but just couldn't. To my ears they're just flat, sterile, and overall a poor tone.

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I don't really hear a sterile tone and I always hear people say that. Metallica's tone is great and they've used EMG's since Kirk first got his EMG's in 1984, I think. And their tone has progressed a lot since MOP and AJFA. Listen to Jame's clean tone... it sounds like a dream. Even his distorted tone is so raw sounding and has a snarl to it. Of course, he and Metallica can afford the best of the best gear, but to say EMGs have a sterile and poor tone is kinda unfair. I've played a set of SD JB/59's when I had a Jackson USA RR1T and it wasn't as tight sounding to me as the EMGs are. The bridge pickup had somewhat of a muddy tone when playing on the lead channel. Also, I did have a Jackson Japanese made model (can't remember the name, had a 3x3 headstock) that had EMG 81/85 pickups and I actually hated the way that guitar sounded. It was all mahogany with an ebony fretboard, but the EMGs sounded very muddy in that guitar. However, my LTD and ESP both have 81/60 sets and they sound great, even through my 8 year old Peavey amp. The 60 on the clean channel with chorus and reverb sounds awesome and same goes for playing leads. It's all a matter of opinion, anyway. I'm not saying you're wrong or that I'm right.

And don't knock ESPs that have EMGs in them. ESPs are great guitars and I'm glad to own a Standard Series Eclipse. It's the best sounding guitar I've ever had and I've had 6 guitars throughout my 8 years of playing. I currently only have 4, though.
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^You can probably get the best cleans possible for a set of EMG's if you EQ like you say, but no matter what, it won't really compare to an equally priced, equally well EQed passive's cleans. I've tried EMGs extensively, I have a particular group of friends who all run around in their own little Grindcore bands and use ESPs with EMGs and back when I pretty much only played Metal, I wanted to love them but just couldn't. To my ears they're just flat, sterile, and overall a poor tone.

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Nah, they are just such great pickups for me, if only I had a better guitar to put them in. I may be a bit of a BKP fanboy, but tis why I am the BKP guy on UG.
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And don't knock ESPs that have EMGs in them. ESPs are great guitars and I'm glad to own a Standard Series Eclipse. It's the best sounding guitar I've ever had and I've had 6 guitars throughout my 8 years of playing. I currently only have 4, though.

I wasn't knocking them. You might have blended my critique of EMGs with my anecdote about where I heard them (in my friend's ESPs) but I didn't say anything about the quality of the guitars themselves, good or bad. I would probably have a couple LTDs if they made decent ones that came with passives There are some, but it's just a piss poor selection if you want passives.

^Hanus, yeah man they're nice pickups, ive been really impressed and I hope to put one in my RR once I have my Epi Semi-hollow for low- mid gain.
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