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#1
Alright so I'm looking for a relatively cheap half stack (600$ and under, but has to be head + cabinet in total) that will be good for recording and play in a small live setting. The type of music I play is metal (black, death, doom, sludge, grindcore, crust, thrash), post-rock and shoegaze for the most part, so it has to be pretty loud and the notes well distinguishable (don't want it to get muddy). What do you guys think ?
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#2
For that price cap you're going to find nothing. I'm serious. Nothing in that range will be any good for you, you'll need to go up at least 200 dollars.

Or look into combos.

My things:
Bowes SLx7
Washburn WG587
Washburn X40Pro
Washburn X50
Washburn HM24
Washburn WR150
Laguna LE200s
Arietta Acoustic
First Act
Valveking 112
VHT Deliverance

#3
Quote by illuminatiano
Alright so I'm looking for a relatively cheap half stack (600$ and under, but has to be head + cabinet in total) that will be good for recording and play in a small live setting. The type of music I play is metal (black, death, doom, sludge, grindcore, crust, thrash), post-rock and shoegaze for the most part, so it has to be pretty loud and the notes well distinguishable (don't want it to get muddy). What do you guys think ?


For a budget like that I would recommend the Marshall MG100HFX (there's allot of bad press on that one but you would be best off checking it out and seeing if you like it)
And a Marshall MA100H is a all tube half stack still not the best but for it's price not bad.

Hope this helped
#4
Quote by Dillonski
For a budget like that I would recommend the Marshall MG100HFX (there's allot of bad press on that one but you would be best off checking it out and seeing if you like it)
And a Marshall MA100H is a all tube half stack still not the best but for it's price not bad.

Hope this helped


No...nononononononononono.

No.

The MG will offer nothing but muddiness, complete and total lack of clarity, the inability to cut through a mix, and the inability to get a good tone anywhere. TS, if you plan on doing nothing but bedroom practice, do this. Its the cheapest option. But if you want to play out, avoid those amps.

My things:
Bowes SLx7
Washburn WG587
Washburn X40Pro
Washburn X50
Washburn HM24
Washburn WR150
Laguna LE200s
Arietta Acoustic
First Act
Valveking 112
VHT Deliverance

#5
Lolz, do you need to have all your bands amps the same height so you look brOOtLz?


You don't need a half stack, get a decent combo.

You can get a Valveking 112, get a WGS V-30, new tubes, and a Bad Monkey for $600 and have a decent metal rig for cheap.

Or maybe a Jet City JCA50h.
#6
What's wrong with a combo?
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#7
Quote by valennic
For that price cap you're going to find nothing. I'm serious. Nothing in that range will be any good for you, you'll need to go up at least 200 dollars.

Or look into combos.


Alright then what combos would you recommend me ?
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#8
2nd hand 6505 212.

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#9
Quote by illuminatiano
Alright then what combos would you recommend me ?


Ethan Haus pretty much said it. The VK is often looked down upon but after you break it in it'll hit alot of the tones you'll need by itself. There are minor mods that you can perform to tighten it up, and a tube change helps loads, but it's a nice little amp. Alternatively, a Jet City would be perfect with an od pedal for most modern metal.

Or that ^

My things:
Bowes SLx7
Washburn WG587
Washburn X40Pro
Washburn X50
Washburn HM24
Washburn WR150
Laguna LE200s
Arietta Acoustic
First Act
Valveking 112
VHT Deliverance

#10
JCA 20h and JCA24s and get a diecent OD/Fuzz
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#11
my friend says I should get a really good clean combo amp and then buy amazing pedals for my distortion (thinking a wampler triple wreck and hm 20 maybe), what is your opinion on this ?
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#12
your friends an idiot.

buy a 2nd hand 6505 combo, all the brutal you need.

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#13
Quote by illuminatiano
my friend says I should get a really good clean combo amp and then buy amazing pedals for my distortion (thinking a wampler triple wreck and hm 20 maybe), what is your opinion on this ?



It works fine, but if you can help it, try and get a amp with a good channel distortion.

The triple wreck is a great pedal, but might be a tad too loose for you and will sound extremely dark though a dark amp such as a Valveking.
#15
Quote by Dmaj7
Oh no.. NO! Not this thread again!

I know what you're talking about

You shouldn't rely on pedals to give you the distortion. Distortion on a nice amp will usually sound better than distortion on a pedal.
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Last edited by kutless999 at Aug 17, 2011,
#17
What do you want in a half stack?

1 x 12?

4 x 12?

Tube?

Solid state?

Jet City JCA20H is 1 x12 and tube.

Crate FW120HS is 4 x 12 and solid state.

Both in your budget.
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#18
I want to go for the used 6505 but I want a really good clean tone too, how are the cleans on the 6505 ?
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#19
I won't respect you unless you use a full stack
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#20
More than good enough IMO

If you really dont like them go buy a cheap little Fender combo for using for recording.

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#21
Quote by illuminatiano
I want to go for the used 6505 but I want a really good clean tone too, how are the cleans on the 6505 ?


if you are talking the combo the cleans aren't that great but useable unless having fender style cleans is vital.
#22
I'm gonna get flamed because it's a SS amp but, for that price the Randall RG with a matching cab sounds pretty decent and for cheap. That was the first head + 4x12 I bought, it cost me about CAD$600 for both and it was new.
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#24
I would say so, enough gain and power for shit loads of feedback...

I mean I get the sense this is the kind of guy who plays a blues lick when he warms up and would list it next to the genres he plays... Not only that but the seriously loud power section should take pedals well and work well enough with pedals.

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#26
1.) You don't need a half stack for recording... Like... you REALLY don't need a half stack for recording.

2.) A shitty solid-state half stack will give you less volume/quality/everything than a decent 2x12 tube combo (Keyword- TUBE).

3.) Check kijiji and craigslist for good deals on used 2x12 combos.

4.) Nothing wrong with investing in a quality clean amp AND a quality distortion/fuzz/OD pedal.

Here are some craigslist postings from Atlanta Georgia I dug up in 2 seconds.

http://atlanta.craigslist.org/nat/msg/2527195953.html
http://atlanta.craigslist.org/atl/msg/2548861268.html
http://atlanta.craigslist.org/atl/msg/2551120438.html
http://atlanta.craigslist.org/nat/msg/2499206186.html
http://atlanta.craigslist.org/atl/msg/2532138290.html
#27
Quote by Tom 1.0
I would say so, enough gain and power for shit loads of feedback...

I mean I get the sense this is the kind of guy who plays a blues lick when he warms up and would list it next to the genres he plays... Not only that but the seriously loud power section should take pedals well and work well enough with pedals.


...I play for a post-rock/shoegaze band that is recording our first album and I write a ton of black metal in my spare time. I wouldn't be investing in a decent amp to record and play live with otherwise, really.

thanks a lot for the suggestions, and yeah I've been browsing craigslist for amp ads and the such as well. Still not sure if I will go for the 6505 or a good cleans with pedals.
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#28
get a Fender Twin and invest in a solid distortion pedal with your remaining budget. There are some great "metal" pedals if you look outside what GC stocks.
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#29
Get a frickin' Jet City...why doesn't anyone else ever think of that?
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#30
PC died so I have to try again here.

^ A lot of people love the Jet Cities and it may be perfect. Unfortunately the JCA20 I played felt thin and kinda lifeless.

Quote by roshjosh
1.) You don't need a half stack for recording... Like... you REALLY don't need a half stack for recording.

2.) A shitty solid-state half stack will give you less volume/quality/everything than a decent 2x12 tube combo (Keyword- TUBE).

3.) Check kijiji and craigslist for good deals on used 2x12 combos.

4.) Nothing wrong with investing in a quality clean amp AND a quality distortion/fuzz/OD pedal.

Here are some craigslist postings from Atlanta Georgia I dug up in 2 seconds.

http://atlanta.craigslist.org/nat/msg/2527195953.html
http://atlanta.craigslist.org/atl/msg/2548861268.html
http://atlanta.craigslist.org/atl/msg/2551120438.html
http://atlanta.craigslist.org/nat/msg/2499206186.html
http://atlanta.craigslist.org/atl/msg/2532138290.html



the last two would work for sure....I was thinking of the HRD 40w at first. That Blues Deville though looks heavey


Not sure on the Vypyr tubes. I own one but I'm just not sure. Versatile? yes.


the 6505 with its monstrous power section does not make it a good amp for pedals (thinking shoegaze and post rock stuff).
Last edited by 311ZOSOVHJH at Aug 17, 2011,
#31
Don't think I'll be getting a jet city, heard bad things about the clean tone.
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#33
my friend that has one tells me so at least... not sure exactly what though.
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#34
Bumping this thread because I'm buying the amp very soon.

Here is my list of considerations, the first two were suggested by you guys. Really leaning on that fender hot rod deluxe atm.

http://atlanta.craigslist.org/atl/msg/2532138290.html
http://atlanta.craigslist.org/nat/msg/2499206186.html
http://atlanta.craigslist.org/atl/msg/2591267664.html
http://atlanta.craigslist.org/atl/msg/2602499511.html
http://atlanta.craigslist.org/atl/msg/2593213415.html
http://atlanta.craigslist.org/atl/msg/2579163304.html
http://atlanta.craigslist.org/atl/msg/2567898765.html
http://atlanta.craigslist.org/atl/msg/2556382032.html

again just for clarity's sake, i'm looking for an amp i can record and gig with, one where pedals can go through really well (especially distortion pedals) and one with a great clean and reverbed tone because I play a lot of post-rock and shoegaze.

thoughts ?

thanks.
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Last edited by illuminatiano at Sep 19, 2011,
#35
Quote by illuminatiano
Don't think I'll be getting a jet city, heard bad things about the clean tone.


Say what?

But yeah, no point in getting a full half stack if you are just doing recording. The whole purpose of a 4x12 slant cabinet is to project sound across a broader area to be heard more evenly and clearly in a band situation. For a little over your budget, you can afford a Jet City JCA50h with JCA24s 2x12 cabinet. That will not only cover you for recording but also small gigs (and even larger gigs). Or for a similar price but different voicing, the Carvin V3M.

Best thing to do in my opinion is save up some more.
#36
Quote by illuminatiano
Bumping this thread because I'm buying the amp very soon.

Here is my list of considerations, the first two were suggested by you guys. Really leaning on that fender hot rod deluxe atm.

http://atlanta.craigslist.org/atl/msg/2532138290.html
http://atlanta.craigslist.org/nat/msg/2499206186.html
http://atlanta.craigslist.org/atl/msg/2591267664.html
http://atlanta.craigslist.org/atl/msg/2602499511.html
http://atlanta.craigslist.org/atl/msg/2593213415.html
http://atlanta.craigslist.org/atl/msg/2590966236.html
http://atlanta.craigslist.org/atl/msg/2579163304.html
http://atlanta.craigslist.org/atl/msg/2567898765.html
http://atlanta.craigslist.org/atl/msg/2556382032.html

again just for clarity's sake, i'm looking for an amp i can record and gig with, one where pedals can go through really well (especially distortion pedals) and one with a great clean and reverbed tone because I play a lot of post-rock and shoegaze.

thoughts ?

thanks.


Hmmm, well one of those was just a cabinet, but those all sound promising. Stick to your gut on the pedals- like someone else said, research pedals to death for what you want. There are some out there that perform very well for metal, (I usually would turn to this guy's channel for a place to start: http://www.youtube.com/user/xtimehascomex

The Hot Rod Deluxe is good, but don't count out any of the others. That Alamo sounds pretty interesting too. I can't say anything myself about Peavey Classics. Also, any one of those will get you through a gig no problem.
#37
Yeah i've been looking at kayzer pedal demos for a while now, really liking the okko dominator at this point. Haven't chosen yet.

And yeah I haven't ruled out any of the others yet, I just need help narrowing down the choices haha. Removed the cabinet at least

it may help noting that I have a Les paul ultra with PRS hfs treble and vintage bass pickups (cu24 pickups). I also have an ESP ltd ex-400 with 81/85 emgs
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Last edited by illuminatiano at Sep 19, 2011,
#38
Quote by illuminatiano
Bumping this thread because I'm buying the amp very soon.

Here is my list of considerations, the first two were suggested by you guys. Really leaning on that fender hot rod deluxe atm.

http://atlanta.craigslist.org/atl/msg/2532138290.html
http://atlanta.craigslist.org/nat/msg/2499206186.html
http://atlanta.craigslist.org/atl/msg/2591267664.html
http://atlanta.craigslist.org/atl/msg/2602499511.html
http://atlanta.craigslist.org/atl/msg/2593213415.html
http://atlanta.craigslist.org/atl/msg/2579163304.html
http://atlanta.craigslist.org/atl/msg/2567898765.html
http://atlanta.craigslist.org/atl/msg/2556382032.html

again just for clarity's sake, i'm looking for an amp i can record and gig with, one where pedals can go through really well (especially distortion pedals) and one with a great clean and reverbed tone because I play a lot of post-rock and shoegaze.

thoughts ?

thanks.


I'd jump on the Crate Blue Voodoo, been regarded around here to be quite good. You wont need a distortion pedal for that amp, plus the guy is throwing in an Overdrive.
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#40
with the hrd you will have to buy a nice distortion pedal then.

a fuzz factory or a swollen pickle sounds nice into the direct amp in connection.

other good suggestions are wampler plextortion, dr scientist the elements, lovepedal superlead, pharaoh fuzz

just reading about Empress Multidrive
Mr. Zachary Vex on the fuzz probe: "Congratulations. You must be insane. Even I don't get how to use this pedal".
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