#1
I search in guitarpro the C13.

It said C E G A# D F A

What I dont get is: C13 (major^^) has got a A# as the 7th.

why not a B?


I thought about it and it seemed that it is neither minor nor major... is it modal...
sry dont get it....help me out....


C D E F G A A# ... thats the scale for a C (myxolydian)...is there anything right?
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IF YOU READ 'H' I MEAN 'B'

GERMAN H = AMERICAN B

#2
Silly, you shouldn't trust a stupid program. Everyone knows, that it isn't A#, but Bb.
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#4
Technically it should be a Bb, they're using an enharmonic spelling for the chord. Additionally C Mixolydian is spelt C D E F G A Bb, not C D E F G A A#.

It's built on a dominant chord (which is made using scale degrees 1 3 5 b7, and in the case of C it would be C E G Bb) not a major chord (which is made using scale degrees 1 3 5 7, and in the case of C it would be C E G B).

If you think of its intervallic relationships, C to A# is an augmented sixth as opposed to a minor seventh which is a necessary interval in a dominant chord.

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#5
Ok... hope I get it now.

Dont really care for A# or Bb...I for my case meant the same...
So gp wasnt silly...

So I was right. mixolydian and dominant chord thing.....
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IF YOU READ 'H' I MEAN 'B'

GERMAN H = AMERICAN B

#6
Quote by BlackmetalGitar
Ok... hope I get it now.

Dont really care for A# or Bb...I for my case meant the same...
So gp wasnt silly...

So I was right. mixolydian and dominant chord thing.....

What exactly you were right about?

Also, your sig gives an impression that you use the German system of naming notes. It's confusing because you don't actually use it
E:-6
B:-0
G:-5
D:-6
A:-0
E:-3
#7
Quote by Flibo
Also, your sig gives an impression that you use the German system of naming notes. It's confusing because you don't actually use it


What's more curious is the fact that he calls it an "American B." Since 'American' is a language...
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#8
Quote by BlackmetalGitar
Ok... hope I get it now.

Dont really care for A# or Bb...I for my case meant the same...
So gp wasnt silly...

So I was right. mixolydian and dominant chord thing.....


Sounds the same yeah but GP was being silly. It is important to spell chords correctly so yeah, in this case its a Bb only.
Andy
#9
But I will stay with a#...

My Signature is for the case I write a H for a B.
And why the f*** do you care if I call it American...
whats it? soviet B ^^....?!


-I don't know. Just try to understand it.
Read the Stuart Smith Jazz Theory. Maybe I can use a better terminology then.
But as far as I know myself: I wont give a sh** about Bb or A#....
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IF YOU READ 'H' I MEAN 'B'

GERMAN H = AMERICAN B

#10
Quote by soviet_ska
What's more curious is the fact that he calls it an "American B." Since 'American' is a language...

As if that's a big deal.

Quote by BlackmetalGitar
But I will stay with a#...

My Signature is for the case I write a H for a B.
And why the f*** do you care if I call it American...
whats it? soviet B ^^....?!


-I don't know. Just try to understand it.
Read the Stuart Smith Jazz Theory. Maybe I can use a better terminology then.
But as far as I know myself: I wont give a sh** about Bb or A#....

But it's incorrect. Why purposefully be wrong?
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#11
Quote by BlackmetalGitar
But I will stay with a#...

My Signature is for the case I write a H for a B.
And why the f*** do you care if I call it American...
whats it? soviet B ^^....?!


-I don't know. Just try to understand it.
Read the Stuart Smith Jazz Theory. Maybe I can use a better terminology then.
But as far as I know myself: I wont give a sh** about Bb or A#....


You do know when the letter H is used, B means Bb? You can't use both H and Bb.
#12
Quote by BlackmetalGitar
But I will stay with a#...

My Signature is for the case I write a H for a B.
And why the f*** do you care if I call it American...
whats it? soviet B ^^....?!


-I don't know. Just try to understand it.
Read the Stuart Smith Jazz Theory. Maybe I can use a better terminology then.
But as far as I know myself: I wont give a sh** about Bb or A#....

That's like saying you don't care if the word "neighbor" is spelled correctly or "naybore." Or spelling "music theory" as "musick theohrie."
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#13
Quote by DaddyTwoFoot
Why purposefully be wrong?


This. It's one thing if you don't know any better, but now that you've been enlightened; you might as well use the names as they are properly accepted. And before you say it doesn't matter what you call it, consider that standardized practices are the way they are for a reason. This will help you communicate with other musicians effectively.

I have a friend who is very intelligent and creative; he likes to dabble in all sorts of things and always has some sort of idea he wants to share. Unfortunately, he actively refuses to learn the proper vocabulary of his studies and does not see the point of doing so. He wonders why nobody can follow what he is saying and understand the points he is trying to make.

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And why the f*** do you care if I call it American...
whats it? soviet B ^^....?!


"English." You are speaking it, after all.
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#14
Quote by BlackmetalGitar
But I will stay with a#...

My Signature is for the case I write a H for a B.
And why the f*** do you care if I call it American...
whats it? soviet B ^^....?!


-I don't know. Just try to understand it.
Read the Stuart Smith Jazz Theory. Maybe I can use a better terminology then.
But as far as I know myself: I wont give a sh** about Bb or A#....


Well they are different things so there is no advantage to not using the proper spelling. There are no keys with a C note and an A#. Nor can we have an A and an A# in the same key and so on. You enquired why it did not have a B...well it does...a Bb. Any type of extended C chord will have a B or a Bb but never an A#. A is a 6th in relation to a C chord and B is a 7th. In this case ignorance is not bliss.
Andy
#15
Quote by griffRG7321
You do know when the letter H is used, B means Bb? You can't use both H and Bb.



Beat me to it.
E:-6
B:-0
G:-5
D:-6
A:-0
E:-3
#16
WTF.^^?

You do know when the letter H is used, B means Bb? You can't use both H and Bb.


Its a difference I have NEVER had a problem with.... Tell me one moment when I am in a band and this would be a point to argue about...?
Never had never will.
The difference is basically as far as I know relevant for classical instruments and temperation...
And for a nerdy view on the Keys and thinking in notes...

For sure my mind hasnt that proper order of sharps and flats... I do it all in sharps...
But it works....


That's like saying you don't care if the word "neighbor" is spelled correctly or "naybore." Or spelling "music theory" as "musick theohrie."



but only in a text it will relevant.... if you hear it its the same....

so it works for me fine....It is just the point of view. I watch out for the notes...
frets etc...and there hasnt be any use for me of using a Bb or a A#

or the B and A# in german. We use B instead of Hes but His its ok...
get that terminology!!!!!

I dont wanna attack your approach but dont sentence me for using more #sharps than flats...


EDIT TO SIGNATURE: If you read only sharps, you must add your own flats, coz I am too lazy..... ;-P
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IF YOU READ 'H' I MEAN 'B'

GERMAN H = AMERICAN B

#17
Quote by BlackmetalGitar

but only in a text it will relevant.... if you hear it its the same....


Yes, the pitch is the same, but if you are communicating via text (written or in music notation) the name of the pitch is relevant.

What is the point of not adhering to the established conventions of communicating musical ideas?
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#18
Quote by rockingamer2
Yes, the pitch is the same, but if you are communicating via text (written or in music notation) the name of the pitch is relevant.


Not to mention, TS, that you are writing in a forum.
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