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Antinatalism is a philosophical position that asserts a negative value judgment towards birth, standing in opposition to natalism. -Wikipedia

Basically, procreation is wrong.

I've heard a few points in favor of this stance, including

1. You do not choose to be born. You are brought into this world without ever have been asked. You're possibly brought into a lifetime of pain when this could've been avoided by you not having been born at all.
2. Not procreating prevents suffering. Obviously, no people = no human suffering.
3. Having children is an entirely selfish act.

"If the act of procreation were neither the outcome of a desire nor accompanied by feelings of pleasure, but a matter to be decided on the basis of purely rational considerations, is it likely the human race would still exist? Would each of us not rather have felt so much pity for the coming generation as to prefer to spare it the burden of existence, or at least not wish to take it upon himself to impose that burden upon it in cold blood?" - Schopenhauer

Here's a video explaining it as well.
http://youtu.be/SvZ9SldqdIE

Anyway, I think it's an interesting topic. Making babies, morally wrong? Discuss.

Further reading:
http://www.scribd.com/doc/81129826/Better-never-to-Have-been-the-harm-of-coming-into-Existence-oct
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#3
Stupid.
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#4
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Dammit I forgot about that one thread. It's not the same thing, though.
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#7
It's interesting, but I'm not really for or against procreation?

Also, if you are of this position, having kids means that your children could choose to have kids, too. It would up the suffering a whole lot with each generation.
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You'd have to philosophize in order to back that up.
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This is the reason no philosopher should be respected anymore.


#15
Philosophy is a bunch of made up fake science nonsense anyway.
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#16
Emil Cioran seems to have a few antinatalist tendencies.

"There was a time when time did not yet exist... The rejection of birth is nothing but the nostalgia for this time before time."

"I long to be free — desperately free. Free as the stillborn are free."

“No one recovers from the disease of being born, a deadly wound if there ever was one.”
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#17
So, Antinatalism is the scientific name for pandas?

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#18
so basically, instead of simply living, its morally correct for there to be nothing. at least nothing that can contemplate the moral ramifications of procreation.

im not sure i get it. or that it makes sense.
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Philosophy is a bunch of made up fake science nonsense anyway.


Fuckin' social sciences.
#20
Whatever, if those people don't want to be alive, they can kill themselves. More stuff for me.
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#22
Is this population control antinatalism, or end of species antinatalism?
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#23
antinatalism implies that life itself should not exist in the universe. idiots.
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#31
Major loophole:

no babies = no human race

/idealism
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#33
I don't even care. I'm already here, I don't plan on having kids, and I won't care if nobody else does after I die- since I'll be dead and all.

If you want to have so many babies you'll need to ship them off to the moon, that's coo' too.
#34
I think there are too many humans in the world and, as a whole. we need to stop fucking so much. We're like viral rabbits. I'm personally choosing to never procreate, I see no need for yet another life on Earth when there are couples alone having enough babies for the rest of us.

But of course, that won't catch on so all we need is some kind of scaled apocalypse.
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#35
If you adhere to this philosophy kill yourself. Or else live with the hypocrisy.
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I'd like to say philisophy is a big scam of a science but I study psychology so....


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#38
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Bill Hicks basically believed this. Or claimed to.


Eh, I don't think it was this exact philosophy...but he believed in that the human population has exceeded the limit, per say. Like, we haven't mastered the basics of living (countries of people not having food, shelter or health; countless wars and battles; shaky economy etc) so we need to slow down the rate of people being born and first work out our own shit, so we can bring children into, basically, heaven on earth.
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If you adhere to this philosophy kill yourself. Or else live with the hypocrisy.


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Major loophole:

no babies = no human race

/idealism


That's the idea.

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If you adhere to this philosophy kill yourself. Or else live with the hypocrisy.


Don't have children = don't live your own life?
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