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#1
Budget - <$500

Genres - Blues and classic rock (muddy waters, jimi hendrix, john mayer's bluesier stuff)

New or Used - I'll go used but I prefer new.

Home or Gig - This will be basically my gigging amp, not really anything big so no pa, and there might be a drummer.

Closest City - Dallas, Tulsa, Oklahoma city, Texoma

Current Gear - Guitars-Gretsch, Strat, and an LTD. Pedals- Dano OD and a Big Muff.

I was thinking of the Blues junior hot rod or a Jet city 20w but I've read that the hot rod series drive isn't very good and I'm not really sure about using the Jet city for blues. If I have too I could possibly make my own amp but I'm not sure what amp I should build if thats the path I need to go. So please help me out here, It seems like every amp is made for metal or practicing now.
Guitars:
LTD F-50
Yamaha EG-112
'77 Harmony
Roadworn Starcaster
Gretsch G5120

Amps:
Vypyr 15
Epiphone Valve Junior combo
#2
Peavey Valveking. has seperate clean channel with it's own tone controls and a decent clean sound. the gain channel has a nice range of dirt and can easily handle what you've mentioned. i play some of the same stuff you mentioned as well as some hard rock and classic metal, my VK has served me well for everything.
#3
Not sure about Muddy Water's equipment, but Hendrix was known for using Marshall amps and John Mayer uses 3 amps together to get his tone (a Dumble, a Two-Rock signature amp, and a Fender Bassman), so those two tones are quite different. I play both Hendrix and Mayer stuff, and I my Egnater Tweaker gets me close enough to both for my liking. I've got some EL-34s in it right now, and for Hendrix tones I flip it to Brit mode (Marshall-ish), and Mayer tones I switch to US mode (Fender-ish). I'm sure you'll get lots of good recommendations in this thread, but definitely take a look into Egnater amps.
Fender American Vintage '62 Stratocaster
Gibson Les Paul Custom
TC Electronic Polytune
Danelectro Blue Paisley
EHX Big Muff Pi w/ Tone Wicker
Dunlop Crybaby
EHX Deluxe Memory Boy
Egnater Tweaker

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#4
Okay, you might like, and I recommend this a lot because it's what I use, an Epiphone Valve Jr. It's a tube amp that you can use for those genres and can usually about $450-$500 new or about $250 used, it's also made for modding, so if you buy used you could get one of the better mod kits. You need some soldering experience though.
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#5
Isn't the vk 100 watts? Wouldn't that mean like no power tube OD? And I've also read that it's kind of lack luster without upgraded speakers.

Edit: check the sig, I love my EVJ, I've modded it to my liking, but It just doesn't have the power I need.

And I have tried out the tweaker and thought it was very nice but a little pricy, I wasn't too sure about the cleans or having to run over to the amp everytime I wanna switch channels.
Guitars:
LTD F-50
Yamaha EG-112
'77 Harmony
Roadworn Starcaster
Gretsch G5120

Amps:
Vypyr 15
Epiphone Valve Junior combo
Last edited by grungebaby at Aug 21, 2011,
#6
Quote by grungebaby
Isn't the vk 100 watts? Wouldn't that mean like no power tube OD? And I've also read that it's kind of lack luster without upgraded speakers.

Edit: check the sig, I love my EVJ, I've modded it to my liking, but It just doesn't have the power I need.


The 112 is 50 watts, still, hard to get OD distortion with that amp, but you really don't want to get OD distortion with that amp, the OT wont handle it, and it sounds really bad, but can easily get a nice blues tone, a bit to saturated though, it's a much better rock amp than a blues amp.

I vote Jet City JCA20h or JCA50h.
#7
Quote by Saint78
Okay, you might like, and I recommend this a lot because it's what I use, an Epiphone Valve Jr. It's a tube amp that you can use for those genres and can usually about $450-$500 new or about $250 used, it's also made for modding, so if you buy used you could get one of the better mod kits. You need some soldering experience though.


Where do valve jrs cost $500??? D=

How about some clones.
http://www.ceriatone.com

Get a better marshall than marshall make.
#8
Quote by grungebaby
Isn't the vk 100 watts? Wouldn't that mean like no power tube OD? And I've also read that it's kind of lack luster without upgraded speakers.

Edit: check the sig, I love my EVJ, I've modded it to my liking, but It just doesn't have the power I need.

And I have tried out the tweaker and thought it was very nice but a little pricy, I wasn't too sure about the cleans or having to run over to the amp everytime I wanna switch channels.


the 1 x 12 combo is 50 watts. the speaker won't win any awards but doesn't sound that bad at all especially for what you want. of course you can replace it down the road. unless you plan on using a little 5 watter then power amp distortion on any amp you get would have to be done at very loud levels. you can use the gain and volume knbs in the reverse way to turn the power section up all the way and use the gain knob as a volume if you want.

not saying it's perfect for all your needs but at that price level there are going to be compromises no matter which way you go.
#12
Alright, the vk is a good maybe since the 50 watts is right around the power I want and it seems like a decent amp.

As for ceriatone, I do like their amps but I'd be looking to source my own parts and get it cheaper, the only complete amp that they sell for less than $500 is a champ clone.

And the vox is out of my budget.

Edit: Have they came out with the JCA22112 yet?
Guitars:
LTD F-50
Yamaha EG-112
'77 Harmony
Roadworn Starcaster
Gretsch G5120

Amps:
Vypyr 15
Epiphone Valve Junior combo
Last edited by grungebaby at Aug 21, 2011,
#13
Quote by grungebaby
Alright, the vk is a good maybe since the 50 watts is right around the power I want and it seems like a decent amp.

As for ceriatone, I do like their amps but I'd be looking to source my own parts and get it cheaper, the only complete amp that they sell for less than $500 is a champ clone.

And the vox is out of my budget.

Edit: Have they came out with the JCA22112 yet?

The vox is in budget used, surely?

I think Jet City have yeah...
#14
The new HR series is supposed to be a significant improvement over the last, so keep that in mind.

If you're ok with single channel amps, take a look at the egnater tweaker. 15 watts 6v6, Hot/clean, US/Brit voicings, and so on.
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#15
Oops I forgot about used.

I'm good with a single channel amp, the only thing I really don't like about the tweaker is I feel like I'll be paying for a bunch of extra switches that I'll be leaving in one spot.

How are the new HR series compared to other amps in that price range?
Guitars:
LTD F-50
Yamaha EG-112
'77 Harmony
Roadworn Starcaster
Gretsch G5120

Amps:
Vypyr 15
Epiphone Valve Junior combo
#16
JCA's have relatively low gain, but I have trouble getting mine to clean up. It's not a problem for me, might be for you.

I'd honestly recommend a Peavy Classic 30 or the Fender Hot Rods.
#17
I agree with the AC15 reccomendations, but disagree with the ValveKing and the Jet City recs.

I find it tough to get a "blooz" tone from my JCA. Its a good amp, but its certainly much better for grittier classic rock than it is for a John Mayer or Jimi Tone.

However with the AC15, while it is a very loud 15 watts I think you would find it tough to get over a drummer and keep it clean. Thats just from my experience. Unless you have PA, which you said you don't.

Here are some good amps from your CL that I would reccomend.

http://dallas.craigslist.org/ftw/msg/2557049069.html

http://dallas.craigslist.org/mdf/msg/2545580493.html

http://dallas.craigslist.org/ndf/msg/2556910117.html

http://dallas.craigslist.org/ndf/msg/2556058639.html - A good amp for you I think

http://dallas.craigslist.org/ndf/msg/2555719310.html - Good price for a AC15. Its a CC1 though.

http://dallas.craigslist.org/ndf/msg/2548025051.html - Stretch your budget some..

http://dallas.craigslist.org/ftw/msg/2554858540.html

http://dallas.craigslist.org/dal/msg/2510167392.html

http://dallas.craigslist.org/ftw/msg/2554539572.html "cosmetics are at 73%"

http://dallas.craigslist.org/ndf/msg/2554528795.html

http://dallas.craigslist.org/ndf/msg/2553816319.html

Just some good things I saw from your CL on a quick search. Some of those are good deals, some not as good, some better for your style, some not as good.

If you are okay going the 15W route you can also do a Blues Junior and such.
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2007 Yamaha APX500
Vox AC15CC1 w/ Eminence Tonkerlite
Assorted Pedals!

All for sale!

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#18
Somebody find this man an 18W Marshall clone available in the States. If you were in the UK I'd tell you to get a Valvepower one.
Alternatively, head over to 18watt.com and find one somebody there has made, they have an ad section there where people sell their 18 Watt clones and derivatives thereof (18W, 18W TMB, 36W). You can often find some real pearlers.
Everybody and their dog builds 18W clones. Somebody here once described them as the old tech's version of shuffleboard. Well, enough people do it that there is an entire website/forum dedicated to the practice. They are perhaps the most cloned amp in the world - they are that good. Considering that Marshall themselves only made them for two years that is really saying something. Arguably the best blues amp ever conceived.
Gilchrist custom
Yamaha SBG500
Telecasters
Randall RM100 & RM20
Marshall JTM45 clone
Marshall JCM900 4102 (modded)
Marshall 18W clone
Fender 5F1 Champ clone
Atomic Amplifire
Marshall 1960A
Boss GT-100


Cathbard Amplification
My band
#19
I just picked up a Crate Palomino V16 and, in my opinion, it has an orgasmic blues tone. I can easily do from Hendrix to Gary Moore to BB King. Great amp, even for being a Crate.
#20
I knew that if Cathbard posted it would be an 18 watt , 18watt.com is down. How are cleans from an 18 watt and does it have very much headroom? I would definitely build an 18 watt if I could find a kit/chassis cheap enough that I could buy a decent cab with it too.

And I'll check out the crate.
Guitars:
LTD F-50
Yamaha EG-112
'77 Harmony
Roadworn Starcaster
Gretsch G5120

Amps:
Vypyr 15
Epiphone Valve Junior combo
#21
They don't have a lot of headroom but you can get them clean enough for blues by rolling back the volume knob on the guitar. Most people just crank them to 10 and use the guitar to adjust the distortion level.
There are lots of kits available. You'd be hard pressed to find a company that produced kits that didn't have some form of 18W kit.
Gilchrist custom
Yamaha SBG500
Telecasters
Randall RM100 & RM20
Marshall JTM45 clone
Marshall JCM900 4102 (modded)
Marshall 18W clone
Fender 5F1 Champ clone
Atomic Amplifire
Marshall 1960A
Boss GT-100


Cathbard Amplification
My band
#22
Alright, I could use my old valve junior combo for the chassis and cab and buy a decent speaker to throw in there or find a cheap cab, any recs for a decent cab to at least hold me off for a while? I probably couldn't do a 4x12 because the only car we own is a monte carlo.
Guitars:
LTD F-50
Yamaha EG-112
'77 Harmony
Roadworn Starcaster
Gretsch G5120

Amps:
Vypyr 15
Epiphone Valve Junior combo
#23
http://triodeelectronics.com/18wtmbkit.html

That's for a TMB version but you could always just replace the TMB with the original single tone control.

As for cabs. You want something with Greenbacks. Maybe a 2x12 Avatar?
Gilchrist custom
Yamaha SBG500
Telecasters
Randall RM100 & RM20
Marshall JTM45 clone
Marshall JCM900 4102 (modded)
Marshall 18W clone
Fender 5F1 Champ clone
Atomic Amplifire
Marshall 1960A
Boss GT-100


Cathbard Amplification
My band
#24
Quote by diceksox1809
I agree with the AC15 reccomendations, but disagree with the ValveKing and the Jet City recs.

I find it tough to get a "blooz" tone from my JCA. Its a good amp, but its certainly much better for grittier classic rock than it is for a John Mayer or Jimi Tone.

However with the AC15, while it is a very loud 15 watts I think you would find it tough to get over a drummer and keep it clean. Thats just from my experience. Unless you have PA, which you said you don't.

Here are some good amps from your CL that I would reccomend.

http://dallas.craigslist.org/ftw/msg/2557049069.html

http://dallas.craigslist.org/mdf/msg/2545580493.html

http://dallas.craigslist.org/ndf/msg/2556910117.html

http://dallas.craigslist.org/ndf/msg/2556058639.html - A good amp for you I think

http://dallas.craigslist.org/ndf/msg/2555719310.html - Good price for a AC15. Its a CC1 though.

http://dallas.craigslist.org/ndf/msg/2548025051.html - Stretch your budget some..

http://dallas.craigslist.org/ftw/msg/2554858540.html

http://dallas.craigslist.org/dal/msg/2510167392.html

http://dallas.craigslist.org/ftw/msg/2554539572.html "cosmetics are at 73%"

http://dallas.craigslist.org/ndf/msg/2554528795.html

http://dallas.craigslist.org/ndf/msg/2553816319.html

Just some good things I saw from your CL on a quick search. Some of those are good deals, some not as good, some better for your style, some not as good.

If you are okay going the 15W route you can also do a Blues Junior and such.



Nice work.

I like the Egnaters you posted as well as the Crate Palo and the Classic 30. On a budget the V22 won me over - nice tone in that bugger
#25
Quote by grungebaby
I knew that if Cathbard posted it would be an 18 watt , 18watt.com is down. How are cleans from an 18 watt and does it have very much headroom? I would definitely build an 18 watt if I could find a kit/chassis cheap enough that I could buy a decent cab with it too.

And I'll check out the crate.


i built an 18 watt a few months ago. i love it. it goes pretty loud before power tube OD, and once your up there its orgasmic, a simple roll back on the volume on the guitar, cleans up to a mild dirt equally orgasmic.

i really can't figure out why there aren't major companies out there trying to produce something related to this (on a large scale), instead of just kits and small builders.
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#26
Quote by trashedlostfdup
i built an 18 watt a few months ago. i love it. it goes pretty loud before power tube OD, and once your up there its orgasmic, a simple roll back on the volume on the guitar, cleans up to a mild dirt equally orgasmic.

i really can't figure out why there aren't major companies out there trying to produce something related to this (on a large scale), instead of just kits and small builders.

There are actually quite a few derivatives out there. Pretty much any EL84 amp labelled as 18W is some sort of copy of an 18W Marshall. They modify the preamp (adding TMB and extra channels and so forth) but in essence they are still related to the original 18W Marshall. I think there are more variants out there in the world than Marshall made themselves. Hell, there are probably more home made clones out there than Marshall made.
Gilchrist custom
Yamaha SBG500
Telecasters
Randall RM100 & RM20
Marshall JTM45 clone
Marshall JCM900 4102 (modded)
Marshall 18W clone
Fender 5F1 Champ clone
Atomic Amplifire
Marshall 1960A
Boss GT-100


Cathbard Amplification
My band
#27
Quote by Cathbard
There are actually quite a few derivatives out there. Pretty much any EL84 amp labelled as 18W is some sort of copy of an 18W Marshall. They modify the preamp (adding TMB and extra channels and so forth) but in essence they are still related to the original 18W Marshall. I think there are more variants out there in the world than Marshall made themselves. Hell, there are probably more home made clones out there than Marshall made.


i know there are quite a few derivitives out there and also that as you said, anything 18w or even 36w is based on the 1974X.

what i was referring to as far as production goes, say for example Peavey making a 18w derivitive or Bugera (unless they do i dont know, but if i don't i would imagine they would have one out soon... lol).

once you get toward the boutique stuff, they are all over, and kits all over the internet.
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#28
Quote by grungebaby
Home or Gig - This will be basically my gigging amp, not really anything big so no pa, and there might be a drummer.


what does this mean?
#29
I assume he means the gigs aren't big. That always gets me - no PA? What does the singer use?

Well let's hope that the likes of Peavey and Bugera don't start making them, trashedlostfdup. It would reduce the amount of hand made ones out in the world. Would seriously cut into how much you could make as a hobbyist if you could just go out and buy a Bugera 1974 for less than the cost of parts. There are too few cottage industries left as it is. About all that's left is hydroponic hemp and 18W Marshalls.
Gilchrist custom
Yamaha SBG500
Telecasters
Randall RM100 & RM20
Marshall JTM45 clone
Marshall JCM900 4102 (modded)
Marshall 18W clone
Fender 5F1 Champ clone
Atomic Amplifire
Marshall 1960A
Boss GT-100


Cathbard Amplification
My band
Last edited by Cathbard at Aug 22, 2011,
#30
Quote by gregs1020
what does this mean?


I guess to word that better I'm young, don't have a band, live in the middle of nowhere, but still jam from time to time and there is sometimes a drummer.
Guitars:
LTD F-50
Yamaha EG-112
'77 Harmony
Roadworn Starcaster
Gretsch G5120

Amps:
Vypyr 15
Epiphone Valve Junior combo
#31
Gilchrist custom
Yamaha SBG500
Telecasters
Randall RM100 & RM20
Marshall JTM45 clone
Marshall JCM900 4102 (modded)
Marshall 18W clone
Fender 5F1 Champ clone
Atomic Amplifire
Marshall 1960A
Boss GT-100


Cathbard Amplification
My band
#32
Quote by Cathbard
I assume he means the gigs aren't big. That always gets me - no PA? What does the singer use?

Well let's hope that the likes of Peavey and Bugera don't start making them, trashedlostfdup. It would reduce the amount of hand made ones out in the world. Would seriously cut into how much you could make as a hobbyist if you could just go out and buy a Bugera 1974 for less than the cost of parts. There are too few cottage industries left as it is. About all that's left is hydroponic hemp and 18W Marshalls.



haha i hope they dont either, that would ruin a lot of out fun.

im at a dead stop on my JTM45 ATM. i am out of wire and can't get any locally, .

i am thinking fender 5F1 next

OT but what guage of wire do you use Cath? i would rather pay a little extra if it is safer/tone wise better.
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#33
20 Awg
Gilchrist custom
Yamaha SBG500
Telecasters
Randall RM100 & RM20
Marshall JTM45 clone
Marshall JCM900 4102 (modded)
Marshall 18W clone
Fender 5F1 Champ clone
Atomic Amplifire
Marshall 1960A
Boss GT-100


Cathbard Amplification
My band
#34
Quote by Cathbard
20 Awg


thanks.
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#35
http://tulsa.craigslist.org/msg/2557475806.html Crate v18
http://tulsa.craigslist.org/msg/2539640913.html Hot Rod Deville
http://tulsa.craigslist.org/msg/2494304239.html Crate Blue Voodoo(just caught my eye)
http://tulsa.craigslist.org/msg/2492041033.html Classic 30
http://tulsa.craigslist.org/msg/2488434114.html Valveking

Not killing off the Dallas listings but I'm headed to Tulsa Friday so that would be easier. So are any of those really good deals? The HR Deville kinda caught my eye.

Also I don't usually need squeaky clean cleans unless I'm with my friend that ALWAYS wants to plug his acoustic into my amps I prefer to have just a little bit of break up on chords.
Guitars:
LTD F-50
Yamaha EG-112
'77 Harmony
Roadworn Starcaster
Gretsch G5120

Amps:
Vypyr 15
Epiphone Valve Junior combo
Last edited by grungebaby at Aug 22, 2011,
#36
Use 311's cool little lookup doover.

The HRD looks like a winner. So does the Tweed Classic 30.
The Blue Voodoo isn't really a blues amp but would still be a good thing to have. I'm quite fond of the BV.
Gilchrist custom
Yamaha SBG500
Telecasters
Randall RM100 & RM20
Marshall JTM45 clone
Marshall JCM900 4102 (modded)
Marshall 18W clone
Fender 5F1 Champ clone
Atomic Amplifire
Marshall 1960A
Boss GT-100


Cathbard Amplification
My band
Last edited by Cathbard at Aug 22, 2011,
#37
The Blue Voodoo isn't really a blues amp but would still be a good thing to have. I'm quite fond of the BV.


*raises hand* I own a Blue Voodoo halfstack. I haven't played it for years because the tubes blew on me twice and I had gotten another amp that I'm more content with. I can't comment on what it sounds like to me now, but perhaps I will try to replace the tubes again and see what I think of it with new ears. From what I do know, it's probably the best thing Crate has made over the past few decades.
#38
Alright, I'll narrow it down to 5 in order on what I'm considering the most to least.
HRD Deville
18 Watt
Peavy classic
Blues Jr.
Blue voodoo.

I hate being indecisive but I rarely come across this much money and I'd like to get a good bang for my buck
Guitars:
LTD F-50
Yamaha EG-112
'77 Harmony
Roadworn Starcaster
Gretsch G5120

Amps:
Vypyr 15
Epiphone Valve Junior combo
#39
just get a plexi stack nothing beats 2 4x12's and a plexi for jimi

those 18 watt kits i read about in this thread usually sound great for it too. cranked to 10 and guitar volume for cleans and shit.
Last edited by wolvenrick at Aug 22, 2011,
#40
I jam with a guy that has an HRD 4x10.
Pushed with a fuzz face and he gets some awesome sounds out of it.
Sometimes the rest of us just stop playing and he goes on his Jimi or SRV impersonations while our jaws drop.

He makes the HRD sound good.

Its cleans?
My AC30 wins in that category IMO.
The HRD does cleans decently IMO, but its not really the type of cleans I prefer. YMMV

I can coax some nice blues sounds from the AC30, but thats out of your price range. Unless you get lucky with a used one.
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