#1
e|--------------------------------------|
B|---0---------------------------------|
G|---3---------------------------------|
D|---1---------------------------------|
A|---3---------------------------------|
E|--------------------------------------|


Notes are C, Eb, Bb and B.

I played this chord while playing some random stuff, and I thought it sounded cool, but I couldn't figure out what this chord was. When I asked my music teacher she said it was kinda like a C minor 7th with B as a "crushing" note.
She wasn't sure though.
So can you guys tell me what this chord is?
and what scale I can use over this to improvise?
and also explain what a "crushing" note is?


Thanks,
#2
Some kind of Cm7addb8 or something
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#3
The root note is a C, so it's a kind of C chord. Second note is Eb, so C minor. Third note is a Bb, so C minor 7th. And not sure about the B, never seen a chord with both the 7th and major 7th.
#4
Cmin/maj7th?

It does exist, i promise.
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#5
what was the context? the root might not be C, or it might not be functioning as a C chord. for example, the notes that make it up are out of the F blues scale, and if you stick an F on the bottom of it you get some fancy sounding F7sus4(add b5).
(basically I'm waiting for someone who really knows their stuff to say, because I'm not overly sure either )
#7
Quote by griffRG7321
Without context, tone cluster.

Seconded. Without context, it has 3 notes a semitone apart across octaves which usually counts as a tone cluster (not as tasty as a crunchy nut cluster, unfortunately).

However, otherwise it is a Cmin/maj7. Root, minor 3rd, min 7, maj 7.
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#9
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However, otherwise it is a Cmin/maj7. Root, minor 3rd, min 7, maj 7.



Cmin/maj7 is C Eb G B, no Bb in there.
#10
^Right. minMaj7 can't have a minor seventh in addition to a major seventh. It's a tone cluster. I can't even think of a context that would make it functional.
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#11
Quote by griffRG7321
Cmin/maj7 is C Eb G B, no Bb in there.

Ugh...I'm not thinking straight; I'm trying to do this without a guitar infront of me Just ignore me.
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#14
Personally, I'd call it a Cminmaj7 sharp13 (or sharp 6th, depending on your taste).

But as has been stated previously, without context, it could be named many things.
#15
I play it as an arpeggio, or single notes.
like this.........

e|--------------------------------------------------|
B|--------------0---------------------0------------|
G|----------3------3--------------3-----3--------|
D|------1--------------1------1-------------1----|
A|---3---------------------3-----------------------|
E|--------------------------------------------------|


followed by this chord........

e|--------------------------------------------------|
B|--------------3---------------------3------------|
G|----------5------5--------------5-----5--------|
D|------3--------------3------3-------------3----|
A|---5---------------------5-----------------------|
E|--------------------------------------------------|

Last edited by MaddMann274 at Aug 24, 2011,
#16
Quote by MaddMann274
I play it as an arpeggio, or single notes.
like this.........

e|--------------------------------------------------|
B|--------------0---------------------0------------|
G|----------3------3--------------3-----3--------|
D|------1--------------1------1-------------1----|
A|---3---------------------3-----------------------|
E|--------------------------------------------------|



Any other chords in the progression? It looks like a Cm7 with a chromatic neighboring tone.
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#17
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Any other chords in the progression? It looks like a Cm7 with a chromatic neighboring tone.



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#18
Chordfind.com didn't recognise it.

It could be argued that any group of notes is a chord, no matter what it sounds like, but if that site can't identify it then it isn't any variation of a 'normal' chord.

If you like the sound of it as an arpeggio though, keep playing it as one.
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#19
Quote by MaddMann274
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Ah, I see. I'm sticking with my first interpretation then.

EDIT: Just played this on my piano. Very eerie: it feels disjointed due to the large gap inside the arpeggio contrasting with the minor second on the top. The dissonance is resolved to the more consonant Dm7.

I just threw my own cadence on the end to resolve the tension; it's very workable.
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Last edited by soviet_ska at Aug 24, 2011,
#21
Quote by muffinman123192
^Right. minMaj7 can't have a minor seventh in addition to a major seventh. It's a tone cluster. I can't even think of a context that would make it functional.


Ah. I never learned how the min/maj7 chords were made, so i was just making a stab in the dark...
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#23
Quote by MaddMann274
So what scale can I use with this? C minor?


Dude are you crazy? C minor? That's off the goddamn chain man, maybe chuck in a Gb? Actually no man I don't want to put you through that, I don't want the music police to come knocking on your door.
#24
1) Use the scale of whatever key this thing is in.
2) Add accidentals as necessary.
3) Heat oven to 400 degrees.
4) Realize that cooking is a bad metaphor for music.
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#25
Quote by griffRG7321
Dude are you crazy? C minor? That's off the goddamn chain man, maybe chuck in a Gb? Actually no man I don't want to put you through that, I don't want the music police to come knocking on your door.



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