#1
I really need to get better at singing, and this is kinda where I am now. So..let me know what I can do to improve, mainly matching pitches and getting a better tone.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SAVbiFbilQY&feature=channel_video_title

PS: Apparently some people have a difficulty distinguishing me from MAtt Heafy, I don't know why because on my laptop i'm louder than him, it might be because the video is in Stereo. Listening through headphones might solve this problem.


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#4
Lol, ignore that guy. I think you did a great job. I wish I could offer some kind of constructive criticism but I'm not much of a vocalist.
#5
I'm having a hard time distinguishing which is your voice and which is the original (I guess if I knew the original it would help), so I can't really give an opinion :/
#6
Why does everyone say that? O_o I SHOULD be louder, at least I am on my laptop. He's panned left, I'm panned right. Listening through headphones might help, it's stereo.


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#7
Ah you have it panned? That might make it easier. I'll just unplug one of the speakers

Honestly to me the voices sound roughly about the same volume, it is generally hard to sing over someone else without the music being stupidly low or from a source farther away.
#8
Yeah it's panned.. I was really hoping for some tips and critisicm
xD


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#9
I can't meaningfully comment because of the mix.

Part of the issue is that I don't know the song, so I don't know what he sounds like vs what you sound like. But the simple truth is that doubling somebody else's vocal like that will hide a lot of the flaws in your voice (in fact, this is very close to the technique used to get a pop star with a mediocre voice to sound decent on a record).

So if you wanted to do this again, and record multi-track, and then completely mute the other track, it'd be a much better way to evaluate what you're actually doing.
#10
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(in fact, this is very close to the technique used to get a pop star with a mediocre voice to sound decent on a record).


Wha?

So, let's say I'm trying to make Brittney Spears sound wonderful. I would record someone else singing it properly and pan it to one side, and then record her voice and pan it to the other side?

What makes you think they do that?

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Could I get some more talent in the monitors, please?

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#11
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Wha?

So, let's say I'm trying to make Brittney Spears sound wonderful. I would record someone else singing it properly and pan it to one side, and then record her voice and pan it to the other side?


They wouldn't pan it.

But giving the singer another voice to sing along with helps them - it's less challenging, it helps lead them. They'll get a solid pro with a voice with a similar timbre. Brittney will sing along. And if she nails it, they'll get rid of the other track. But if she doesn't, they'll mix it down, but leave it in to balance and smooth things out.

Maybe they do this less now in the age of auto-tune, but it was standard operating procedure in the 90s. Heck, not just with pop stars, either: Shannon Hoon's doubling a bunch of Axl's vocals on a couple of tracks on "Use Your Illusion" amounts to pretty much the same thing, although most of the time the artist doesn't admit the technique was used (and, quite frankly, they may not even know that the other voice is still in the final mix).

With a lot of the manufactured pop stars, though, you're not hearing exclusively (or even primarily) their voice. Not surprising since a lot of those people are picked for their look.
#12
You guys seem to think the other singer is loud as hell or something, i'm significantly louder than him in the mix.


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#13
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You guys seem to think the other singer is loud as hell or something, i'm significantly louder than him in the mix.


That's missing the point.

You know what you sound like. You also know what the other guy sounds like. That makes it much easier for you to figure out who's who. There's a huge subjective element to our perception of sound.

I don't know what either of you sound like.

This shows up in a whole bunch of different ways. For example, the famous cocktail party effect - we are much better at picking out a single voice in a room full of talking people if we're in that room rather than if we're listening to a recording of what's going on in the room. Objective volume is not the only thing that matters.

That being said, if your reaction to people telling you they can't comment because they can't pick out your voice is the above quote, then you've saved me the trouble of bothering to comment on your singing if you do post I track where I can clearly tell what you're doing.

I mean, if you're resorting to the "you don't know what you're talking about" defensive reaction when we're talking about what we can and can't hear, I shudder to think how you'll react if someone actually points out a flaw in your singing.

Look, it's really simple: If you want people to give you meaningful feedback on your singing, you'll post somewhere where we're comfortable we can actually hear what you're doing. When people tell you they can't figure out what you're doing, the appropriate response is not to tell them they're wrong.

Additionally, if you're going to use youtube, synch it up properly. It's not that hard and its incredibly distracting. (It might have helped me figure out what's you and what's the other guy if you had bothered to put a little effort into synching things up right.)
#14
In regards to synchronization (which I admit I did also find it distracting) with youtube, there is nothing that can be done. So it's not his fault.

Sometimes it happens with youtube videos, you generally have to re-upload them :/ In the end only the sound matters anyway (or at least in this case).

Anyway I re-listened using the panning information. Was a bit tricky seeing as my speakers are so crappy I can't individually unplug ONE of them.. so I turned it upside down and covered it up.. but it sounded like the original voice is still "leaked" a bit on the other speaker too (that or my attempt to cover my speaker was fail).

I hear you better, but still not enough to feel like I'm SURE I only hear you :/
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