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#1
hey guys, anyone out there know anyone who is "good" who plays poor guitars?
i know a guy, who went into a shop, and bought a £200 bc rich, tribal thingy, without even trying it first. and it will be for gigging, alongside a gibson explorer. when he has been playing 20 years.
it just struck me dumb.
i thoroughly test, and examin any purchase i am considering.
thoughts?
#2
There are a lot of professional artists who use cheap guitars. Nothing wrong if they sound good and are comfortable with them.
#3
Names please. I can't think of any good recording artist thats using cheap guitars. They are cheap for a reason.
#5
I know some guitarists who gig with cheap guitars; however, I don't know of anybody that just goes to a guitar shop and buys a guitar without playing it and then just starts gigging with it. Either he's very confident that he'll like the guitar he's buying, doesn't care how it feels, or is just plain ignorant when it comes to equipment.
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Names please. I can't think of any good recording artist thats using cheap guitars. They are cheap for a reason.
There was a 4-5 pages thread about these artists. Can't find it anymore though.

The first who comes to my mind is Sami Lopakka, the rhythm guitarist of Sentenced (one of my favourite bands). He played only a cheap Jackson RRV bolt-on guitar in his entire career, and had an amazing tone.
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What I hate is almost anybody playing an expensive guitar.

To be completely honest, while it does make some difference, the guitar isn't the majority of your sound, the amp is. I've had my Ibanez Mikro sound like a Fender Strat and even an acoustic. It's all in the amp.

The people that play cheaper guitars are always the smarter people. There is no need to spend more than about $600 MAX for an amazing guitar, anything more, and you are just wasting your money, which is why I hate Gibson and Fender so much, you pay more for the name than the sound. Nobody can honestly say they can tell the difference between a Gibson LP and a B.C. Rich. They're lying if they say they can. The sound difference is way too minute to make enough difference. The only time they would really have a chance at being able to tell is on a clean channel, and even then, it's hard.

However, there are some guitars that are just plain awful (Squier, and many First Act's, for example), but most are actually better than you think.

The point is, you don't need an expensive guitar to sound really good, just as long as it's a decent guitar. If you do need a super high quality guitar, it shows you aren't good enough to sound good with what you have.

EDIT: I will say, he may have bought on impulse, though. I am a firm believer of try before you buy, but he may have tried some other time.
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I wasnt bringing higher end guitars into the equation, as you can see all of my axes are Sub £450-500

the pickup voicings between a LP and a Low end bc rich is totally different also, you seem a bit clueless to guitars, no ?

anyway it isnt a famous guy, just a buddy in a band, i just cant comprehend, waling into a shop, picking out the cheapest coolest loking guitar ( not my opinion) and buying it. without playing, could have been a dud. e.t.c. he has the money, for super maga custom guitars.
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What I hate is almost anybody playing an expensive guitar.

To be completely honest, while it does make some difference, the guitar isn't the majority of your sound, the amp is. I've had my Ibanez Mikro sound like a Fender Strat and even an acoustic. It's all in the amp.

The people that play cheaper guitars are always the smarter people. There is no need to spend more than about $600 MAX for an amazing guitar, anything more, and you are just wasting your money, which is why I hate Gibson and Fender so much, you pay more for the name than the sound. Nobody can honestly say they can tell the difference between a Gibson LP and a B.C. Rich. They're lying if they say they can. The sound difference is way too minute to make enough difference. The only time they would really have a chance at being able to tell is on a clean channel, and even then, it's hard.

However, there are some guitars that are just plain awful (Squier, and many First Act's, for example), but most are actually better than you think.

The point is, you don't need an expensive guitar to sound really good, just as long as it's a decent guitar. If you do need a super high quality guitar, it shows you aren't good enough to sound good with what you have.

EDIT: I will say, he may have bought on impulse, though. I am a firm believer of try before you buy, but he may have tried some other time.


GTFO of this thread. There is a difference between a Gibson and a BC Rich POS. Try the wood, hardware, craftsmanship, etc.
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What I hate is almost anybody playing an expensive guitar.

To be completely honest, while it does make some difference, the guitar isn't the majority of your sound, the amp is. I've had my Ibanez Mikro sound like a Fender Strat and even an acoustic. It's all in the amp.

The people that play cheaper guitars are always the smarter people. There is no need to spend more than about $600 MAX for an amazing guitar, anything more, and you are just wasting your money, which is why I hate Gibson and Fender so much, you pay more for the name than the sound. Nobody can honestly say they can tell the difference between a Gibson LP and a B.C. Rich. They're lying if they say they can. The sound difference is way too minute to make enough difference. The only time they would really have a chance at being able to tell is on a clean channel, and even then, it's hard.

However, there are some guitars that are just plain awful (Squier, and many First Act's, for example), but most are actually better than you think.

The point is, you don't need an expensive guitar to sound really good, just as long as it's a decent guitar. If you do need a super high quality guitar, it shows you aren't good enough to sound good with what you have.

EDIT: I will say, he may have bought on impulse, though. I am a firm believer of try before you buy, but he may have tried some other time.






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What I hate is almost anybody playing an expensive guitar.

To be completely honest, while it does make some difference, the guitar isn't the majority of your sound, the amp is. I've had my Ibanez Mikro sound like a Fender Strat and even an acoustic. It's all in the amp.

The people that play cheaper guitars are always the smarter people. There is no need to spend more than about $600 MAX for an amazing guitar, anything more, and you are just wasting your money, which is why I hate Gibson and Fender so much, you pay more for the name than the sound. Nobody can honestly say they can tell the difference between a Gibson LP and a B.C. Rich. They're lying if they say they can. The sound difference is way too minute to make enough difference. The only time they would really have a chance at being able to tell is on a clean channel, and even then, it's hard.

However, there are some guitars that are just plain awful (Squier, and many First Act's, for example), but most are actually better than you think.

The point is, you don't need an expensive guitar to sound really good, just as long as it's a decent guitar. If you do need a super high quality guitar, it shows you aren't good enough to sound good with what you have.

EDIT: I will say, he may have bought on impulse, though. I am a firm believer of try before you buy, but he may have tried some other time.

I've have been playing music on various instruments (orchestra/band-rock) There is a huge difference between a BC Rich and A Gibson LP...although Gibson could knock a couple hundred bucks of most of their models.
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GTFO of this thread. There is a difference between a Gibson and a BC Rich POS. Try the wood, hardware, craftsmanship, etc.



There is a difference, just not much. You act like I wasn't talking about sound.

I also love how everybody brings up "wood". People think it makes a huge difference, but that is not true, especially with distortion. You honestly, can't tell wood differences very easily with distortion going.

So you're saying, both of you, that I can get two recordings of the same riff, and you can tell me which one is a Gibson and which is a B.C. Rich? I call BS right there.

I think you guys are sore because I brought up the fact that Gibson makes overpriced stuff.
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#13
Jeff Healey played Squiers for his whole career. Dave Murray also played modified Squiers (early 80s japanese made) for a while because he felt they were better than the american made fenders of the time (this turned out to be true).

maybe the guy the OP mentioned had already played that guitar and just decided he wanted it. back when i was doing the band thing (80s) i used plenty of stuff that wasn't exactly ideal. how many bar bands have you seen using MG stacks these days?
#14
Jack White uses cheap shit.

Slash recorded his first album using a epi les paul before he could afford a gibson
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What I hate is almost anybody playing an expensive guitar.

To be completely honest, while it does make some difference, the guitar isn't the majority of your sound, the amp is. I've had my Ibanez Mikro sound like a Fender Strat and even an acoustic. It's all in the amp.

The people that play cheaper guitars are always the smarter people. There is no need to spend more than about $600 MAX for an amazing guitar, anything more, and you are just wasting your money, which is why I hate Gibson and Fender so much, you pay more for the name than the sound. Nobody can honestly say they can tell the difference between a Gibson LP and a B.C. Rich. They're lying if they say they can. The sound difference is way too minute to make enough difference. The only time they would really have a chance at being able to tell is on a clean channel, and even then, it's hard.

However, there are some guitars that are just plain awful (Squier, and many First Act's, for example), but most are actually better than you think.

The point is, you don't need an expensive guitar to sound really good, just as long as it's a decent guitar. If you do need a super high quality guitar, it shows you aren't good enough to sound good with what you have.

EDIT: I will say, he may have bought on impulse, though. I am a firm believer of try before you buy, but he may have tried some other time.

Wow just wow.
Granted I'm not a fan of Gibson, but there are a lot of things to consider about the cost of a guitar. Gibson uses higher end woods, and many of their guitars are hand made. paying AMERICAN workers costs a lot of money. Most Fenders are actually under the 600 dollar range that you pulled out of your ass. Even American Fenders use higher end woods then the MIM Fenders. The only people I know who repeatedly rag on guitar companies like this are the ones who have never played these guitars.

Oh and If you can't tell the difference between a B.C. Rich and a Gibson LP then you need to just sell your guitars now and give up. Seriously.
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My first ever palmstack! Congrats!

Talk to me in 10 years when your cheaply built, yet somehow "better guitars" have turned to dust, and my gear sounds better than when I bought it.



That's an impossible situation.

A: I never said mine was "better".
B: It won't turn into dust in 10 years.
C: Your gear won't get better over time just because you wasted more money on it.
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A dude in this local band was shredding/tapping like crazy. These guys were good, yet the one in front of me was using the Ibanez GIO straight out of one of the starter packs.

And also earlier that same night this band was on, and the guitarist had a PRS Akerfeldt signature.. Playing through a spider III 15. I almost cried! He was good too, though. So that was kinda like.. The good guitarist with the nice guitar but the shitty amp
#19
Maybe he just had this guitar and really liked it and it broke down or something
#24
I think good guitar players playing cheap guitars is okay, nothing wrong with it if they like their cheap guitars and are content with those.
However, I personally would not do that. Not because I think I'm such a great guitarist or something, but it's no fun to me if my tone is shit, the neck makes my hand cremp, etc.
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, which is why I hate Gibson and Fender so much, you pay more for the name than the sound. Nobody can honestly say they can tell the difference between a Gibson LP and a B.C. Rich.


lol, you must be tonedeaf or youve only been playing through crappy amplifiers. Theres a big difference on guitars when you have a good amplfier. BUT since tone is personal some may think that cheap guitars sound better than the more expensive. Some ppl have different tone taste. But in my world i like the more expensive guitars alot more than my cheap squier and cheap ibanez i had before
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Some people don't have the luxury of spending $1000's on gear, some do.

If you mean to tell me that your Gio can sound as good as a Gibson/PRS/Fender you are sadly mistaken. Yes you can up grade it and get a pretty close sound, but wood plays an intricate part of your sound. A Basswood giutar will never sound like a Mahogany one, but that goes the other way aswell. Diff woods also affect your sustain in diff ways.
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What I hate is almost anybody playing an expensive guitar.

To be completely honest, while it does make some difference, the guitar isn't the majority of your sound, the amp is. I've had my Ibanez Mikro sound like a Fender Strat and even an acoustic. It's all in the amp.

The people that play cheaper guitars are always the smarter people. There is no need to spend more than about $600 MAX for an amazing guitar, anything more, and you are just wasting your money, which is why I hate Gibson and Fender so much, you pay more for the name than the sound. Nobody can honestly say they can tell the difference between a Gibson LP and a B.C. Rich. They're lying if they say they can. The sound difference is way too minute to make enough difference. The only time they would really have a chance at being able to tell is on a clean channel, and even then, it's hard.

However, there are some guitars that are just plain awful (Squier, and many First Act's, for example), but most are actually better than you think.

The point is, you don't need an expensive guitar to sound really good, just as long as it's a decent guitar. If you do need a super high quality guitar, it shows you aren't good enough to sound good with what you have.

EDIT: I will say, he may have bought on impulse, though. I am a firm believer of try before you buy, but he may have tried some other time.


Let's just pretend we didn't read that. Seriously man, you must be deaf. Even my brain dead dog can tell the difference between a BC. Rich and a Gibson. If you need a super high quality guitar, it shows that want to sound better than you do with your actual gear. There is a huge difference between a cheaper model and an American made Gibson, Fender or PRS. There is also a pretty big difference between a standard model, be it Fender, Gibson, whatever, and their high-end, super expensive Custom Shop models. If you can't hear that with your own ears, give up playing and listening to music.
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maybe he bought it to smash the shit out of it later Also, all the comments on this thread are so fail.
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maybe he bought it to smash the shit out of it later Also, all the comments on this thread are so fail.

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Current guitarist out of QOSTA uses squires live.

In regards to the running debate of this thread. There is a huge difference between high end guitars and low end guitars, my Patrick Eggle FEELS like a high quality instrument because it is a high quality instrument. Everything about the guitar is solid which really does help the guitar ring out a lot more acoustically than say, my Ibanez S270. Whilst I love the Ibanez, I can immediately tell the difference in the way the notes are pronounced through both guitars. Craftsmanship counts for a great deal in regards to the overall feel of the instrument, which is what players pay for.
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#31
I've got a friend who is quite an amazing guitar player and he performs with his $99 squier strat.
#32
Quote by guitarmaniac88
That's an impossible situation.

A: I never said mine was "better".
B: It won't turn into dust in 10 years.
C: Your gear won't get better over time just because you wasted more money on it.


brought to you from a man with a GIO and a Bronze series Warlock. dude i absolutely promise you that i can tell the difference between a Gibson LP and your Warlock with one ear tied behind my back. no difference in wood? once again put a mahogany LP up against say a Stagg LP copy which is made of alder and tell me no difference, please. play through a real amp and then come back and talk to us. modeling amps tend to react the same regardless of wood type but that doesn't make it a universal truth.

oh and in ten years your guitars will be worth less than nothing and my 88 strat will be worth more than it is now.

just listened to the track in your profile. dude your distorted tone is really hard on the ears. i wouldn't talk to much smack about if you need expesive gear you can't play.
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#33
Let me preface this comment by saying I do not "like" Gibson, I have played a really nice Custom Shop LP, liked it, but found it obscene to pay $4500 for it. It wasn't THAT nice.

The difference between a $400 BC Rich and a Gibson LP is monumental. And as previously stated, I'm no Gibby fan boy. Get a life and stop spreading facts you just pulled out of your ass on the Internet. Check out YouTube, I hear they let you listen to instruments there. If you honestly can't hear the difference than I honestly don't know what you can do, college certainly isn't an option, you'll never make it in. See you at McDonalds than, I like my burgers ketchup only.
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#34
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What I hate is almost anybody playing an expensive guitar.

To be completely honest, while it does make some difference, the guitar isn't the majority of your sound, the amp is. I've had my Ibanez Mikro sound like a Fender Strat and even an acoustic. It's all in the amp.

The people that play cheaper guitars are always the smarter people. There is no need to spend more than about $600 MAX for an amazing guitar, anything more, and you are just wasting your money, which is why I hate Gibson and Fender so much, you pay more for the name than the sound. Nobody can honestly say they can tell the difference between a Gibson LP and a B.C. Rich. They're lying if they say they can. The sound difference is way too minute to make enough difference. The only time they would really have a chance at being able to tell is on a clean channel, and even then, it's hard.

However, there are some guitars that are just plain awful (Squier, and many First Act's, for example), but most are actually better than you think.

The point is, you don't need an expensive guitar to sound really good, just as long as it's a decent guitar. If you do need a super high quality guitar, it shows you aren't good enough to sound good with what you have.

EDIT: I will say, he may have bought on impulse, though. I am a firm believer of try before you buy, but he may have tried some other time.



Seriously?
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There is a huge difference between high end guitars and low end guitars, my Patrick Eggle FEELS like a high quality instrument because it is a high quality instrument.


And this is the first real sensible thing anyone has said in this thread.

Anyone who tells you a more expensive instrument is all about sound is an idiot, it's about the way it feels. Very few people want to play a guitar that feels like a cheap piece of shit.
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#36
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haha, no son, 3 guitars allready ( we play standard only) all of his are TOM, i guess he just wanted it.

You seem to be familiar with this guy. Why don't you ask him why he bought a cheap guitar without trying it?
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Quote by guitarmaniac88
What I hate is almost anybody playing an expensive guitar.

To be completely honest, while it does make some difference, the guitar isn't the majority of your sound, the amp is. I've had my Ibanez Mikro sound like a Fender Strat and even an acoustic. It's all in the amp.

The people that play cheaper guitars are always the smarter people. There is no need to spend more than about $600 MAX for an amazing guitar, anything more, and you are just wasting your money, which is why I hate Gibson and Fender so much, you pay more for the name than the sound. Nobody can honestly say they can tell the difference between a Gibson LP and a B.C. Rich. They're lying if they say they can. The sound difference is way too minute to make enough difference. The only time they would really have a chance at being able to tell is on a clean channel, and even then, it's hard.

However, there are some guitars that are just plain awful (Squier, and many First Act's, for example), but most are actually better than you think.

The point is, you don't need an expensive guitar to sound really good, just as long as it's a decent guitar. If you do need a super high quality guitar, it shows you aren't good enough to sound good with what you have.

EDIT: I will say, he may have bought on impulse, though. I am a firm believer of try before you buy, but he may have tried some other time.


i basically agree...i mean obviously a cheap bc rich and a gibson lp are gonna sound different, but if you wire them the same they'll sound the same.

and yea amp is way much more important. i always thought my squier with "duncan designed" hotrails sounded like angry bees but when i played it in my new tube amp it sounded more or less similar to my epi custom with emgs.

to OP:
im pretty sure dan jacobs of atreyu plays the ltd model of his sig guitar

and i think zakk wylde uses the epi models of his guitars, but with swapped out emgs
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There is a difference, just not much. You act like I wasn't talking about sound.

I also love how everybody brings up "wood". People think it makes a huge difference, but that is not true, especially with distortion. You honestly, can't tell wood differences very easily with distortion going.

So you're saying, both of you, that I can get two recordings of the same riff, and you can tell me which one is a Gibson and which is a B.C. Rich? I call BS right there.

I think you guys are sore because I brought up the fact that Gibson makes overpriced stuff.

I think you're right, when looking at it from certain angles. Play through a shitty amp? Then yeah, everything is gonna sound the same. My cheap-as-shit Epi and my ESP sound the same through a Spider. But get a great quality amp, and each guitars tonal characteristics will shine through. Woods, hardware, pickups, etc.

Although, I do think that guitars can only get SO good before you're paying for name. I mean, a high-quality Gibson Les Paul Standard for $2000? Sure, I'd shell that out if I had it. But, say, a Custom Shop Billy Gibbons "Pearly Gates" Les Paul for $25,000 sounding ten times better than a Standard? Don't think so.
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i basically agree...i mean obviously a cheap bc rich and a gibson lp are gonna sound different, but if you wire them the same they'll sound the same.

and yea amp is way much more important. i always thought my squier with "duncan designed" hotrails sounded like angry bees but when i played it in my new tube amp it sounded more or less similar to my epi custom with emgs.

to OP:
im pretty sure dan jacobs of atreyu plays the ltd model of his sig guitar

and i think zakk wylde uses the epi models of his guitars, but with swapped out emgs



This is much more of what I really meant by all that.

It seems I'm starting to get some slight agreement. It may not be much, but just a little.
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