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#1
While listening to Anathema today I thought about this concept ; most bands grow softer and less ferocious over time with their music i.e "selling out"

But how many bands are there that actually started out more accessible and grew heavier over time?


I can name a few off the top of my head:

Ministry
Pantera
Job For A Cowboy

Who else grew "heavier" over time?
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#3
Not metal but the Beatles.

And Metallica with Saint Anger!

Kidding.
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#5
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Not metal but the Beatles.

And Metallica with Saint Anger!

Kidding.


I feel if we asked this just after ...And Justice For All was released it would be true. That probably was their heaviest album.
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#7
The Red Shore. Okay, earlier stuff is deathcore, but I would almost call The Avarice Of Man death metal.

Uhm... The Acacia Strain and Ulcerate have also done so.

EDIT: Diablo Swing Orchestra too.
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#8
Dir En Grey.
Dream Theater (though they never should have gone beyond Train Of Thought imo)
Ayreon
Pestilence (might just be me, I thought their last was incredibly heavy)
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#11
Satans Host probably fit this description the best.
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#12
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#13
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Kanye West, a lot of prog rock on his last album. Don't knock it until you've listened to it.

I prefer his collaboration with Jay Z: the post avant-garde homoerotic blackened jazzcore influences were awesome.

EDIT: and yes, I did get the reference to him sampling King Crimson >_>
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#14
Well in the sense that they moved from speed metal to black metal!
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0-0-0-13-0-0-0-0-13 or something like that alalalala but It;s so heavy and off time and awesome and you could not f**k anyone to it.


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#15
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#17
kanye west sucks. Taking the title lyric of 21st Century Schizoid Man and placing it in your song by itself without doing anything for it to actually fit with the music or be relevant in any way does not make his music 'prog'. If you want a real progressive producer all you need is Madlib.

yes I know this isn't on topic.
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#18
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kanye west sucks. Taking the title lyric of 21st Century Schizoid Man and placing it in your song by itself without doing anything for it to actually fit with the music or be relevant in any way does not make his music 'prog'.


I never mentioned that song and I'm not talking about that song. I'm talking about his album. Anyway it wasn't an argument starter was just a relevant answer to what artists had gotten heavier.
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#21
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This is really a fantastic answer because it addresses heaviness not in terms of aesthetics but instead with regards to emotionally weighty themes and concepts, and the means through which they are delivered. Kivenkantaja, Voimasta Ja Kunniasta, etc. feel lighter than do the more recent albums. A+
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#24
Same. Full of pedestrians.

To be topic - Celtic Frost

Compare Morbid Tales to Monotheist, and forget the two albums before Monotheist.

aesthetically of course. For emotional impact - Bathory, tracking up to his fifth album. I just sit back when Asa Bay comes on and feel utterly defeated afterwards.

Jesu also comes to mind, and Godflesh to an extent
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#25
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#26
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I never mentioned that song and I'm not talking about that song. I'm talking about his album. Anyway it wasn't an argument starter was just a relevant answer to what artists had gotten heavier.

Regardless of how right or wrong you are (lets face it, you're probably wrong) changing from radio friendly rap to radio friendly rap with prog rock influences doesn't exactly constitute 'getting heavier.' (Gaining weight, it should be.)
#27
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This is really a fantastic answer because it addresses heaviness not in terms of aesthetics but instead with regards to emotionally weighty themes and concepts, and the means through which they are delivered. Kivenkantaja, Voimasta Ja Kunniasta, etc. feel lighter than do the more recent albums. A+

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#29
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#30
Gorguts maybe?
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#31
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Indeed. But in their case atleast heavier doesn't really mean better


how about Judas Priest?
#32
If you count 'inclines' per se. Paradise Lost fit the bill perfectly.
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#34
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#35
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Indeed, and in their case heavier means a lot better


how about Judas Priest?



Fix'd for correctitude! Anyone who says The Gathering isn't as good as any of the first 5 needs to have their ears checked. I feel The Gathering is damn near the perfect metal album for any band. Waaaay better than Souls of Black for sure. Sick riff after sick riff, vocals w/ awesome imagery & delivery, drums by Dave Lombardo, bass by Steve Digiorgio & leads by none other than James Murphy.

I know Low & Demonic were similar albums, but The Gathering was just so out of left field in how great of a record it is, yet often overloooked, even by Testament fans. Amazing energy, production, musicians on the album, etc. I might as well stop now 'cuz I can go on all day about how great of an album it is & cannot think of a single bad thing to say about it, except that it's missing the obligitory ballad about Chuck Billy's Native American heritage.
#37
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Fix'd for correctitude! Anyone who says The Gathering isn't as good as any of the first 5 needs to have their ears checked. I feel The Gathering is damn near the perfect metal album for any band. Waaaay better than Souls of Black for sure. Sick riff after sick riff, vocals w/ awesome imagery & delivery, drums by Dave Lombardo, bass by Steve Digiorgio & leads by none other than James Murphy.

I know Low & Demonic were similar albums, but The Gathering was just so out of left field in how great of a record it is, yet often overloooked, even by Testament fans. Amazing energy, production, musicians on the album, etc. I might as well stop now 'cuz I can go on all day about how great of an album it is & cannot think of a single bad thing to say about it, except that it's missing the obligitory ballad about Chuck Billy's Native American heritage.




HUGE fan of The Gathering.

On topic, Behemoth, maybe they didnt got better but surely got heavier.
#38
getting softer = selling out
perfect logic
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#39
I think plenty of bands got heavier when new genres were being introduced to the world. But quite often those bands got less heavy at some point.

And to refer to fumb duck's flawless logic, that is unfortunately the way of thinking for a lot of people. Heavy seems to often be viewed blindly as none other than a good thing in metal.
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