#1
I'm a strat man through and through, but i've found having a mahogany guitar useful for creating contrast whilst recording. I've cycled through a few Gibsons in the past, but never really found the right one... or should I say I kept selling them to finance the 'next' guitar.

Again, i'm looking for a Gibson, but can't make up my mind, so i'm hoping popular vote can sway me. One thing I know is traditional LPs aren't for me - too heavy for this strat man. I kinda like P-90s too.


At this point i'm looking at a 60s tribute LP gold top, an LP Jr, or even a faded flying V. The first mentions appeal for sensible reasons, but the V is a beast that appeals to my inner rock god - I like a showy guitar. I really don't know which way I should go. I actually really like the sound of the SG tribute with P90s, but i'm a bit mehh on SG's, not a guitar I can fall in love with.

About me? I've been playing for 20 years, and a wide range of ability: 50s-90s rock, rockabilly, reggae, roots, blues, funk, surf, motown, metal... you name it. I need a guitar that'll suit at least a few of these, mainly for rocky stuff I guess. Not much of a hi gain dude, 80s metal is the crankiest noises I go for.

So LP tribute vs LP Jr - is it worth seeking out the chambered body, or is it just a 'different' sound, and not necessarily more useful or 'better'. And the V - is it a beast worth taming? If I bought a V i'm likely to switch out to P90s at some point - I just like the shape.


What should I go for? Any other suggestions maybe?
#5
Lets say an upper limit of around US$1000 (shippable to Australia)... i'll be buying through Ebay, 2nd hand if it brings the cost down. I see there's stripped out faded flying V's popping up quite regularly on Ebay - wiring guitars is not a problem for me so thinking this might be a fun option.

But i'm still open to suggestions... as long as it's a mahogany body with P90s i'll be happy.
#6
Maybe try looking in to the Gibon Firebird? I personally like the 'Non-reverse' version (i think, the one thats more jazzmaster shape!) but they're still pretty cool. They come with P-90s or humbuckers, and i would have guessed they might weigh less that a Les Paul, and certainly look a bit different!

Alternatively, if you would prefer a fender-y neck, try the Gibson Nighthawk! They are basically Les Pauls, with Fender scale necks, and a different selection of pickups (more recent ones are HSH, but you can also get the original one, which had humbucker, single and mini-humbucker, maybe a P-90, i cant remember)
#7
There's another non-Gibson option, the Godin LGS-P90. Feels like a Strat, sounds like a Gibson w/P-90's. Mahogany body & neck, Gibson 24-3/4 scale, Duncan P90 pups, Strat-style 3-way switch. Assembled in USA of Canadian components. Might not be your cup of tea, I dunno, but worth investigating IMO. I have one and really like it.

http://www.godinguitars.com/godinlgp90flamep.htm
#8
imo if you can live without the neck pickup an LP junior would be a great choice. despite the lack of a neck pickup they are extremely versatile instruments simply because they just deliver a very pure sound that works and works well for just about anything.

chambering is entirely a matter of preference - you may like it, you may not. perhaps try a few chambered LPs compared to some solid ones and see what you think?
I like analogue Solid State amps that make no effort to be "tube-like", and I'm proud of it...

...A little too proud, to be honest.
#9
OK, for ten years I slutted myself to every guitar under the sun. Past Gibbo's (or Epiphones) i've owned include a 335, a Casino, an SG, an Explorer, an Epi LP Jr, a few Les Pauls... but I realised when I was flipping through all these what I was actually chasing was humbuckers on a Strat, a-la Van Halen. Humbuckers + mahogany is too dark and for my canoodling.

I do a ton of recording and am finding that an 'underneath' guitar would be handy... if that makes sense. Something that can add texture without trying to be boss. BTW in above posts I referred to an LP Jr, I actually mean i'm checking out LP Specials (the 2 P-90 LP).

I think i've almost talked myself into a V. It's a shape i've never owned (but always wanted) and once the P-90s are in i'm sure I could get it to sound close to the SG tribute that i'm digging. I think the LP specials would fit the bill too, but damn, so pricey for a basic guitar.


Any Flying V players out there? Do they rock your world?
#10
CAn't speak for the choices axcept to say on MLP there are a lot of happy people who bought the 60's Tributes ($850 USD). They look good, sound good and seem to be well made. They are chambered so for weight reasons, it's consideration. Plugged in I doubt you can tell the difference between Chambered/Weigth relieved. When I was looking into my first Gisbon I tried the 08 Stds (chambered) and they still sounded like a classic LP to me.
Moving on.....
#11
60s Tribute is a solid choice, but if you already know the bulk of Les Pauls isn't for you then try a Les Paul Special with two P-90s. It's a flat top Les Paul which shaves off about 1/3rd of the weight and helps upper fet access. Tone-wise it's not terribly different from a full Les Pauls, it sounds kind of like an SG on the brige pickup but the neck pickup is closer to the fretboard than it is on an SG so the neck pickup sounds warmer, like a Les Paul's.
#12
i fracking love my Les Paul tribute that i picked up recently. Check my NGD thread for a lil review if you like. I'm gonna recommend one if you can still find one. I left a link on my NGD page to a guy who still has a Goldtop on Ebay. Otherwise get a LP special.
#13
Quote by grohl1987
60s Tribute is a solid choice, but if you already know the bulk of Les Pauls isn't for you then try a Les Paul Special with two P-90s. It's a flat top Les Paul which shaves off about 1/3rd of the weight and helps upper fet access. Tone-wise it's not terribly different from a full Les Pauls, it sounds kind of like an SG on the brige pickup but the neck pickup is closer to the fretboard than it is on an SG so the neck pickup sounds warmer, like a Les Paul's.


I posted before i read this. The Les Paul tributes are chambered and probaly wiegh about as much or less than my Squier whereas the Specials are still big slabs of mahogany. The Specials probaly wiegh a fair bit more than the Tributes.
#14
Les Paul Special is winning my vote today (subject to random opinion change )

Considering i'll be buying second hand, there's two ways I could go - the cheaper option (~$800, appears to be a 'faded' version of an LP Special), and the reissue option which will cost about twice as much (say $1000 - $1500).

I'd expect reissue type Gibsons to be 100% dependable, but how do the 'faded' series of Gibsons rate? They're near half the price, so what corners have been cut to bring the costs down?
#15
Do not get any new Gibson guitars... DO NOT. They are terrible in quality these days. I know you said second hand, but do not get any built in the last few years. Faded series are worse than lower priced Epiphones. I'm not kidding either.

Oh God, do not get a Les Paul Faded. (They're also chambered, meaning they have huge gaps in the body which affects tone.) I played one at Guitar Center and within 5 seconds I could tell it was complete shit. Just being honest. Do not get newer Gibson guitars, unless they're the Customs, which might be decent. I tried some cheaper Epiphone LPs/SGs that were made in China/Korea and they were higher in quality. What can I say? America sucks right now.

If you still want a decent name, get an Epiphone LP at the highest quality you can afford, or an SG G-400. The best idea is to get a Michael Kelly... They are truly great guitar builders, but often ignored. I have a Michael Kelly Patriot Vintage that is amazing for a Les Paul style guitar. Michael Kelly, I'm tell you...

But finally, whatever you do, do not get a Gibson that's been built within the past 3 or 4 years (unless it's a custom). You WILL be sorry in the end. Epiphone or Michael Kelly and you're good.

I'd bet the price of this guitar that this guitar surpasses or meets any regular Gibson: http://www.guitarcenter.com/Epiphone-Limited-Edition-Les-Paul-Custom-Electric-Guitar-103110789-i1149890.gc

But, of course, we all are never sure about paying high prices for "cheaper" brand names.
"To this day I don't have a guitar idol. I have people who are my favorites." - Randy Rhoads
Last edited by fretmaster13 at Sep 4, 2011,
#16
The Faded guitars are the same as the regular ones, they just don't buff the finish. Plus they sometimes have dot inlays instead of block inlays or stuff like that. But the core construction is the same. The finish is the most expensive and time-consuming part of making a Gibson so by half-assing the finish they can get the guitar out their factory and onto shelves a lot quicker and don't have to pay half as much in wages, which is why they're so much cheaper. If you're happy with the look of an unbuffed finish then go for it. Nitro finishes are a little fragile to begin with and the Faded ones will check and discolour quicker than the full thick gloss ones but that's the only thing that should be of any concern. And that stuff does happen to the thick finishes as well, just takes a year or two longer.

But the reissue guitars are made by the Gibson Custom Shop and those are a massive step up. Better wood, hand assembled, hand finished, often they get better hardware too. Much stricter quality control and if you buy one new they have a really long warrenty on them. Plus they hold their value better. If you were to buy a Faded and sell it later you'd get maybe 50-60% of your money back. If you resell a custom shop guitar you get more like 80-90% of your money back, you have to trash a custom shop guitar pretty hard for it to lose its value.
#17
Quote by fretmaster13
Do not get any new Gibson guitars... DO NOT. They are terrible in quality these days. I know you said second hand, but do not get any built in the last few years. Faded series are worse than lower priced Epiphones. I'm not kidding either.

Oh God, do not get a Les Paul Faded. (They're also chambered, meaning they have huge gaps in the body which affects tone.) I played one at Guitar Center and within 5 seconds I could tell it was complete shit. Just being honest. Do not get newer Gibson guitars, unless they're the Customs, which might be decent. I tried some cheaper Epiphone LPs/SGs that were made in China/Korea and they were higher in quality. What can I say? America sucks right now.

If you still want a decent name, get an Epiphone LP at the highest quality you can afford, or an SG G-400. The best idea is to get a Michael Kelly... They are truly great guitar builders, but often ignored. I have a Michael Kelly Patriot Vintage that is amazing for a Les Paul style guitar. Michael Kelly, I'm tell you...

But finally, whatever you do, do not get a Gibson that's been built within the past 3 or 4 years (unless it's a custom). You WILL be sorry in the end. Epiphone or Michael Kelly and you're good.

I'd bet the price of this guitar that this guitar surpasses or meets any regular Gibson: http://www.guitarcenter.com/Epiphone-Limited-Edition-Les-Paul-Custom-Electric-Guitar-103110789-i1149890.gc

But, of course, we all are never sure about paying high prices for "cheaper" brand names.


This post should be either be in purple for sarcasm or if serious have a disclaimer about the mental state of the poster.
Moving on.....
#18
PRS is Gibson-ish and are awesome guitars.
2002 PRS CE22
2013 G&L ASAT Deluxe
2009 Epiphone G-400 (SH-4)
Marshall JCM2000 DSL100
Krank 1980 Jr 20watt
Krank Rev 4x12 (eminence V12)
GFS Greenie/Digitech Bad Monkey
Morley Bad Horsie 2
MXR Smart Gate
#19
Quote by KenG
This post should be either be in purple for sarcasm or if serious have a disclaimer about the mental state of the poster.

this. unfortunately i've seen this so often i think this guy was actually serious... so:

@fretmaster13: you played one, at guitar center, and after 5 seconds are already judging that every single one must be as bad as the poorly maintained guitar center floor model? i almost feel bad for laughing about that.

i can also be honest, and tell you i played one i thought was horrible after about 5 seconds once too... 'omg, dat muzt meen dat dey r alll shity ovurprised carp lolol!!!!1111' right? get real.


...and this is why you should take everything you read on forums with a pinch of salt really - to end this post positively, at least fretmaster13 made the effort to let us know how uninformed his post was... that's one thing i can applaud, i suppose
I like analogue Solid State amps that make no effort to be "tube-like", and I'm proud of it...

...A little too proud, to be honest.
#20
@Three last posters: Go ahead and buy your Gibson POS with chambered bodies and frets hanging over the side of the fretboard. I, on the other hand, won't waste my money.
"To this day I don't have a guitar idol. I have people who are my favorites." - Randy Rhoads
#22
Quote by fretmaster13
@Three last posters: Go ahead and buy your Gibson POS with chambered bodies and frets hanging over the side of the fretboard. I, on the other hand, won't waste my money.



Yes just look at these poorly made POS guitars I got stuck with!



You can like any guitar or dislike any guitar you choose but bashing guitars when you obviously don't know much about them is not being helpful.
I was giving you the benefit of a doubt on your post incase you were just being sarcastic, but now I see you were serious!
Moving on.....
Last edited by KenG at Sep 4, 2011,
#23
^he was talking about the faded series. based on his experience of one he played in guitar center for 5 seconds

this reminds me of the guy who said "don't get a tube amp! i used a mesa at a gig and the tube on the amp blew up after like 15 seconds, so we got a new tube, and the new tube blew up as well! tube amps are unreliable, i don't want people to fall into the trap of buying a tube amp!!!"
I like analogue Solid State amps that make no effort to be "tube-like", and I'm proud of it...

...A little too proud, to be honest.
Last edited by Blompcube at Sep 4, 2011,
#24
Quote by KenG
Yes just look at these poorly made POS guitars I got stuck with!



You can like any guitar or dislike any guitar you choose but bashing guitars when you obviously don't know much about them is not being helpful.
I was giving you the benefit of a doubt on your post incase you were just being sarcastic, but now I see you were serious!

Those guitars are really ugly.........
would you look at the horrible finnishes on them, god did they use Nitro only the cheapest guitars use that.
2002 PRS CE22
2013 G&L ASAT Deluxe
2009 Epiphone G-400 (SH-4)
Marshall JCM2000 DSL100
Krank 1980 Jr 20watt
Krank Rev 4x12 (eminence V12)
GFS Greenie/Digitech Bad Monkey
Morley Bad Horsie 2
MXR Smart Gate
#25
DUDE!!! Get an American Deluxe strat. If it has a button that can turn your pickups to humbuckers and it ROCK! take 5 different tone options on a regular start and it makes it 10. It is such an awesome guitar. From one strat man to another, look into this awesome guitar.
#26
I got three Fender strats already - 2 Am Standards, and a 2HB/floyd strat, and a Danny Gatton spec tele clone... enough 'casters for now. I really need a moody mahogany guitar to subtly compliment my beloved Fender chime.

At this point I want a guitar that'd suit promo media, stand out on stage, different to my conservative Fenders, and last but not least it must sound pretty groovy too - in a Gibson sorta way. I've had a few plays of V's and don't find them that awkward to navigate, that's why I think something fitted up like this'd fit the bill:



If the faded series will age similarly well to a strat (similar price bracket afterall) i'll go this option... probably a better guitar for someone like me who can't leave a guitar standard anyway
Last edited by ravenhaller at Sep 6, 2011,