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So I have 2 amps, a Fender Frontman 65R, and a Marshall mg100fx. I originally got the marshall and liked it a lot, but once i discovered the fender, i loved it, the clean tone is amazing, and the Marshall sounds kind of muffled. The problem is, the fender is loud enough but doesn't project as much, which makes sense because it has 1 x 12 rather than 4. I'm thinking of getting rid of the marshall and either getting some other half stack, or a fender frontman 212R (the next step up from my current fender) and converting that into a half stack. My question is if there are any half stacks that would have that sound of the fender frontman amps, or if i should just convert the 212R (which would be a fun adventure). I also need it to cost only around $300-$450ish, depending on what i could get for the marshall. I would be fine with anything used, it would just have to be in the price range and have that sound. Any ideas.
#2


sell both and get a tube amp

You're not gonna get a halfstack for that cheap either
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Quote by ZackGuitar12
So I have 2 amps, a Fender Frontman 65R, and a Marshall mg100fx. I originally got the marshall and liked it a lot, but once i discovered the fender, i loved it, the clean tone is amazing, and the Marshall sounds kind of muffled. The problem is, the fender is loud enough but doesn't project as much, which makes sense because it has 1 x 12 rather than 4. I'm thinking of getting rid of the marshall and either getting some other half stack, or a fender frontman 212R (the next step up from my current fender) and converting that into a half stack. My question is if there are any half stacks that would have that sound of the fender frontman amps, or if i should just convert the 212R (which would be a fun adventure). I also need it to cost only around $300-$450ish, depending on what i could get for the marshall. I would be fine with anything used, it would just have to be in the price range and have that sound. Any ideas.


Alright, I'm going to have to stop you right there...

So there was a Fender FM halfstack made. I can't remember what they called it. But it was likely as shit as the 212R and the 65R.

I have a 212R (gathering dust in my garage somewhere) and trust me, neither does it have any more usable sound than the 65R (although it might project a tad better) but there is no difference in running the volume on it at 5 or 10. I gigged with that amp all through high school, and it was a tank, but sounded poor.

Please, if you already have a 65R, you have suffered enough. Do what I did and buy a blues junior. Even a Hot Rod deluxe can be had for around 500 on the used market.

I know that you will not believe me, but my 15W blues junior is louder or as loud as my 100W Fender FM. Don't argue me on this, its true.

edit: I'm actually smelling some troll here...
Last edited by hawk5211 at Sep 10, 2011,
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Quote by hawk5211
Alright, I'm going to have to stop you right there...

So there was a Fender FM halfstack made. I can't remember what they called it. But it was likely as shit as the 212R and the 65R.

I have a 212R (gathering dust in my garage somewhere) and trust me, neither does it have any more usable sound than the 65R (although it might project a tad better) but there is no difference in running the volume on it at 5 or 10. I gigged with that amp all through high school, and it was a tank, but sounded poor.

Please, if you already have a 65R, you have suffered enough. Do what I did and buy a blues junior. Even a Hot Rod deluxe can be had for around 500 on the used market.

I know that you will not believe me, but my 15W blues junior is louder or as loud as my 100W Fender FM. Don't argue me on this, its true.

edit: I'm actually smelling some troll here...


I'm surprised you haven't bled out thru ur ears yet...

if you like the clean tones then just get another fender tube. fender and vox tube amps have pristine cleans and just sound amazing. when you play them you will come to your senses and realize that your frontman and mg r really nowhere near what ANYONE would consider a good sounding amp.

and for the reference to the 15w blues jr, a rule of thumb for volume when it comes to tube and solid state is 1 tube watt is roughly equivalent to 15 solid state watts. so a 15w tube amp will be plenty loud. i can gig with my 6 watt tube amp.

in order to keep those cleans that you want, you'll need a higher wattage amp to minimize early tube breakup at higher volumes. anything 30 or higher should do just fine for that
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Quote by andrerist
and for the reference to the 15w blues jr, a rule of thumb for volume when it comes to tube and solid state is 1 tube watt is roughly equivalent to 15 solid state watts. so a 15w tube amp will be plenty loud. i can gig with my 6 watt tube amp.

1:15 might be exaggerated

TS: the link I gave you before was local. This should be better.

http://www.guitarcenter.com/In-Store-Used-USED-FENDER-HOT-ROD-DEVILLE-2X12-60W-COMBO-106809557-i2054968.gc
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Quote by ZackGuitar12
The problem is, the fender is loud enough but doesn't project as much, which makes sense because it has 1 x 12 rather than 4.


the fender is loud enough... but not loud enough? i know what you are getting at, but if an amp isn't loud enough then it is just not loud enough. how do you know if the single speaker is the culprit?

w/e. if you want a 1x12 to project better then either raise it closer to ear level, get an amp stand or lean the amp back so it points more at your head.
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#10
Sell both amps, get a good combo amp.

If you can't find a decent tube for that price, check out some Peavey Vypers, Roland Cubes.

They will sound 100x times better than your MG.

Check out a Fender Deville, or Blues Jr.
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Quote by hawk5211
Sorry?

The rest of your post is great, but what is that about lol?


The mass of cluttered harmonics the frontman tries to pass off as tone has been known to burst eardrums. True story.
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#13
mustang half stack.


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I think the ts just isn't spoiled yet. The fm is a pretty sweet amp if you've only played thru an mg. I think a used solid state halfstack can be had in that price range. I've seen crate halfstacks for $150 on craigslist. But having said that, the guy in a previous post was right, do yourself(and your friends/bandmates/dog) a favor and spend the money on a decent tube amp(which can also be had used in that price range!). Tube tone is thicker, louder, livelier, punchier, more natural sounding than ss. imo, you should buy a Fender Blues Jr(cause you like the fm) and some new underwear cause if you like the fm you're gonna $h!t your pants playing a blues jr
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Quote by bluestratplayer
The mass of cluttered harmonics the frontman tries to pass off as tone has been known to burst eardrums. True story.


Oh, I see. Agreed. I nearly killed our singer with the bridge pickup on my strat. She was pissed lol. Just these random spikes that were unexplainable...
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Oh, I see. Agreed. I nearly killed our singer with the bridge pickup on my strat. She was pissed lol. Just these random spikes that were unexplainable...

anyone else see a light going on there?
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On a serious note, in case you're not a troll TS, +1 to ethan_hanus's ValveKing suggestion. Probably the best amp for cleans and headroom you can get in your price range.
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This is a flamebait thread, no?
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I was starting to think I was still asleep and this was just a bad dream. It's like asking where can I get a taco that tastes like dogshit? I think I will leave it to you, I haven't had enough coffee to cope with this.
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#23
If someone has reached the point where they have both a 65w Frontman and a 100w MG then they're in all likelihood beyond salvation.
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Quote by hawk5211
easy there bud.

don't fight it.

think about your post.

you seem to be starting to get it.

it's called an epiphany or moment of clarity.

let it happen.

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Quote by hawk5211
lulz

nvm, i see you have a blues jr.

it must have happened already.

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nvm, i see you have a blues jr.

it must have happened already.


i think hawk5211 has been mistaken for the thread starter?
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i think hawk5211 has been mistaken for the thread starter?

no, the TS is long gone. i just responded to the post i quoted.

the TS will show back up much later, and i think it's good for him to see a fellow UGer that came to the same realization.

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Quote by gregs1020
no, the TS is long gone. i just responded to the post i quoted.

the TS will show back up much later, and i think it's good for him to see a fellow UGer that came to the same realization.



to be honest i came to that realization about a week after I bought the FM212R, but money was short back then lol.

Its such an indestructible amp, which helps when you are in high school, and not having to worry about tubes cracking in the winter here as well.
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Quote by hawk5211
to be honest i came to that realization about a week after I bought the FM212R, but money was short back then lol.

right. i got ya.

congrats.

i hope the TS checks back in and sees your posts.
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#39
Quote by andrerist
I'm surprised you haven't bled out thru ur ears yet...

if you like the clean tones then just get another fender tube. fender and vox tube amps have pristine cleans and just sound amazing. when you play them you will come to your senses and realize that your frontman and mg r really nowhere near what ANYONE would consider a good sounding amp.

and for the reference to the 15w blues jr, a rule of thumb for volume when it comes to tube and solid state is 1 tube watt is roughly equivalent to 15 solid state watts. so a 15w tube amp will be plenty loud. i can gig with my 6 watt tube amp.

in order to keep those cleans that you want, you'll need a higher wattage amp to minimize early tube breakup at higher volumes. anything 30 or higher should do just fine for that


Vox AC15 or AC30 has great cleans... but I would never call them "Pristine." they're chimey with slight breakup.

Also 1:15 ratio for wattage when comparing tube to solid state is completely inaccurate. Wattage =/= volume or output. It should also be noted that a 100W amp is not 10 times louder than a 10W amp.