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#1
Not sure if this is the right place to post.

Basically i'm looking to downtune my Ibanez RGT6EXFX all the way down to Drop A# for a short while to play some brootz Parkway Drive.

I've been using 0.09-0.42 D'addario for quite some time and obviously there's no way that will work for Drop A#

Does anyone have any recommendation on what gauge of strings to use, what brand etc?
Has anyone had experience with downtuning to Drop A# before?

Thanks in advance.
#3
If you're only going to play for a short while I don't see why you would want to go through all the hassle. I'd recommend 7-string sets minus the thinnest string which is something around .013 and .014 translated to 6-string sets. It's possible that your strings won't fit the nut anymore if they're that heavy.

I have a guitar tuned in Drop G# with .011 strings and while they're nothing but spaghetti, I can play djenty stuff with them just all right.
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#4
buy a 7 string for that low..that's ridiculous on a 6 string....
With that said, it really comes down to what feel you like best. I have a friend who likes a reeeally tight feel so he purposefully buys up a size or two, and his strings feel like steel as a result, whereas I prefer a super loose feel, and as a result play 9-42 in drop C...which most people would say is retarded...so it comes down to what feel you like
#5
12's man. If you're going from 9's, it's possible your guitar will need to be re-set up, but if you're gonna be using drop A# a lot, it might be worth it. Or maybe since it will be so de-tuned, it won't affect your neck as much.
#7
0.13-0.65 will do the job fine. I have that set on my guitar and it's in C tuning, sometimes I drop it in A#.
#8
I'd go with at least a Zakk gauge .010-.060
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#9
They play in B btw, not A#

oh and tuning to drop B is useless, you can either go buy a baritone which is what they use or tune to drop D and get a pitch pedal, put it through the send and return of your amp, and put that on -3 semis
and hope it doesn't tone suck
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#10
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They play in B btw, not A#


On Deep Blue, they tune down.
#11
A lot of their stuff seems to be in Drop A#. That being said a lot is in Drop B also.

Regardless, drop A# and B# are quite similar so they can be easily changed between. It's not like changing from standard to Drop A#. That would suck.
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oh and tuning to drop B is useless, you can either go buy a baritone which is what they use or tune to drop D and get a pitch pedal, put it through the send and return of your amp, and put that on -3 semis
and hope it doesn't tone suck


I've never heard of a baritone before, so never seen / used one. Does it give as authentic a sound a splaying in Drop A# and if so, is it worth the money?
#14
get a 7 string and put 9s on it. Drop A# on a 6 string thats not baritone is suicide.
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#15
Originally Posted by vayne92
B#


Without a Baritone Guitar, a 6 string isn't really a good choice for Drop A# or whatever it is you crazy kids tune to.
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#16
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I've never heard of a baritone before, so never seen / used one. Does it give as authentic a sound a splaying in Drop A# and if so, is it worth the money?


basically it's somewhere between a guitar and a bass....
longer necks and different strings for lower tunings and stuff, wikipedia will know more...

I've never really looked into buying them so I can't comment on prices.
#17
0.10 to 0.13, try them and find out which ones suits you the best. I use 0.11's for low tuning and they have the perfect balance between feel and sonic body for my tastes.
#18
I use ernie ball not even slinkys and I can do drop a no problem
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Dunlop Heavy Core 12's.
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#20
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On Deep Blue, they tune down.

and b is not already tuned down?


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lol. what bollocks.
#22
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If you're only going to play for a short while I don't see why you would want to go through all the hassle. I'd recommend 7-string sets minus the thinnest string which is something around .013 and .014 translated to 6-string sets. It's possible that your strings won't fit the nut anymore if they're that heavy.

I have a guitar tuned in Drop G# with .011 strings and while they're nothing but spaghetti, I can play djenty stuff with them just all right.


WTF
#23
dont listen to the guys saying to get a baritone guitar u dont need it.
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#24
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Drop A#?
Whats next?
Obliviously Drop A

But where does it end?
Time to fire your bassist I guess.


My H-51 is in drop A with 14's.

Which is why my bassist uses a 5 string, Also in drop A
One octave down thogh

EDIT: And a baritone guitar really isnt needed, but there are caveats.

For one, using strings as thick as 14's, your action will never be as low as say a baritone with 11's. The thicker strings vibrate in a wider arc, so they need to be higher up. And the thicker your strings, the looser your bass gets. Overdo it, your tone will get extremely bassy. Part of a bass guitars tone comes from a) uber long scale and b) uber thick strings. Remember, the thicker the guage the bassier your tone.
Also, you need to make sure your pickups and body wood are suited to the tuning. Amp as well. Patches which I make foe my MH (E standard) sound like arse with the H. I like a fairly dark tone, and tones which are already dark in E turn to mud with drop A. And patches which sound good in drop A sound horribly tinny and sharp in E.
You might also need nut filing and truss rod adjustment. 14's in drop A would be about as tense as 10's or 9's in E standard.

In short, baritone is not necessary (though it makes things easier). I would still avoid going below C standard unless your scale was at least 25.5''.
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#25
Parkway doesn't use baritone guitars. They use the same ltd ec-1000,mh-1000,h-1000s as every other metalcore band nowadays.

Just slap some 12's on there and get your guitar set up. you'll be fine.

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#26
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Drop A#?
Whats next?
Obliviously Drop A




Did you mean "Obviously" ?


As for TS, if you only plan on being there for a bit, get some of these but good luck trying to get that back up to E standard. If you want something to stay that low, get a baritone or go for a 7 string
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#27
12-56 should be enough, I use them anyway...
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#29
why don't we all do drop e that way we can fire the damn bassist and chug like the best of them. after all, everyone will sound just as shitty so it will be easier to have a good metal band right? causee shit sound is what metal is today. chugy chug chug.
#30
oh wait, is that soo bassy that you could mistake it for a bass guitar? yeah pretty much.

the only thing that doesn't sound like a bass guitar, is when he plays past the 12th fret. so yeah, i think my statement still stands


its the internet kid, stop being butthurt.


edit: but then again. his other 6 strings are tuned to standard, so thats a horrible example.
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#31
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oh wait, is that soo bassy that you could mistake it for a bass guitar? yeah pretty much.

the only thing that doesn't sound like a bass guitar, is when he plays bass the 12th fret. so yeah, i think my statement still stands


its the internet kid, stop being butthurt.

what
#32
Get some 12's or 13's and make sure you reintonate. You can get away with tunning that low, but it's not going to have great tone.
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#33
13-56 bare min.

for some nice girth to it, 13-62 wound G = teh sex.
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#34
It depends entirely on what you already use. For example, I prefer .11s in E standard, so I would use obnoxiously heavy gauge strings for Drop Bb. If you play .09s or .10s, a .13 or .14 set should be fine, though on a shorter scale length they will sound really flubby.

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#35
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I'd go with at least a Zakk gauge .010-.060

that would work or them DR DDT strings which are badass. get the i think its the mege heavy.
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#36
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You said drop E I don't know of any bands that use drop E on 6/7 strings. So naturally, that was the best example.

that was an example to showcase the fact that drop tuning to get teh brootz is stupid.
#37
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oh wait, is that soo bassy that you could mistake it for a bass guitar? yeah pretty much.

the only thing that doesn't sound like a bass guitar, is when he plays past the 12th fret. so yeah, i think my statement still stands


its the internet kid, stop being butthurt.


edit: but then again. his other 6 strings are tuned to standard, so thats a horrible example.

Real guitarists play with the bass all the way up all the time in standard and manage to sound like a bass guitar, that's the way ahead.
#38
So much ****ing misinformation in this thread.

7-strings: You don't need one if you don't need the extra range.
Baritones: I've had a King V with a 24.75" in Drop A with 13s and I've been absolutely ****ing fine
Today's metal: Is not just mindless chugging in Drop A.

Basically, get a set of 13s or 12 - 56, file your nut if you need to, put strings on, tune, play your ****ing guitar.

Job ****ing done.
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#39
i play in drop A on a 24 3/4 scale esp with daddario's, i order a set of 10's, throw out the 10, and get a single 70, ending up with 13-70, but daddario also makes a set that is 13-62 and will work on a 25.5 scale wellfor A or A#.
#40
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Real guitarists play with the bass all the way up all the time in standard and manage to sound like a bass guitar, that's the way ahead.

flubbity flub flubby flub.


thats the shit sound kids have these days.


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