#1
EDIT: Thanks for all the help guys. I am pretty sure what I am going to do now. One last question before I go try these out with my own guitar and amp. (Later this week)


I have a guy that has some older but great sounding BK 410b, and 115b cabs. They are both rated for 8 ohms.

The ultra plus has selectable ohm, so should I set it to 4ohm and use both the 410(8ohm) and 115(8ohm), or just buy the 410(8ohm) and set it to 8?

What do you think would be the advantage/disadvantages? Volume?


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In my band, I have recently taken up bass and guitar duties. I have been thinking about trading my amp (Peavey Ultra Plus) because I cannot play bass through it, it would explode. So I am thinking about trading my guitar amp for a bass amp, since there is no real risk of damage playing a bass and guitar through a bass amp. But the problem is, most bass amps are solid state and I'm not sure how great a guitar will really end up sounding through one....


So I started thinking, What if I keep my Ultra Plus head, and just match it with a cabinet that can handle the bass frequencies. Basically, mount my Ultra plus on a bass cabinet. Although the speakers are not going to necessarily be the best for the frequencies, the amp tone would hopefully shine through and I could play bass on it as well without worry.


Possible? Madness?

I know of a few bands...battles...El ten eleven, where the guys play both, but I can't find much about what they are using. And I would like to keep the Ultra Plus in the mix, or a JCM 800/900 if I can find one to trade for...


Ideas?


Thanks in advance for any help offered!
Last edited by ThePariah at Sep 20, 2011,
#2
I play my guitar though my Trace Elliot RAH350SMX(700 watt SS/hybrid bass amp) with a distortion pedal and it's the most epic tone I have.

You can play bass through a guitar head into a bass cab, it works fine, just might be lacking low end.
#3
Quote by ethan_hanus
I play my guitar though my Trace Elliot RAH350SMX(700 watt SS/hybrid bass amp) with a distortion pedal and it's the most epic tone I have.

You can play bass through a guitar head into a bass cab, it works fine, just might be lacking low end.

Really? I will have to look into this, because if I can just find a bass cab that actually sounds good with a guitar that would solve my problem as well.

Thanks!
#4
I'm sure you'll probably be able to find a tube bass amp. See if you can find a Gibson Thor. My friend has one he had chopped into a head, and it uses 2 EL34s, and originally was a 2x10 I think, but I can't remember. It doesn't really break up until you dime it, but it sounds really sexy when you do get it breaking up and distorting =D (with guitar, of course)
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#5
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I'm sure you'll probably be able to find a tube bass amp. See if you can find a Gibson Thor. My friend has one he had chopped into a head, and it uses 2 EL34s, and originally was a 2x10 I think, but I can't remember. It doesn't really break up until you dime it, but it sounds really sexy when you do get it breaking up and distorting =D (with guitar, of course)

Holy, that thing is massive, I would love to find something like that. And chopping it into a head would be pretty awesome.


The worst part is that I used to have a 68' Fender Bassman when I was on a blues kick like 7 years ago...That probably would have worked...sold it for food and rent.
#7
Quote by Zoot Allures
A bass cab would be a good idea. You could get a big sound like Kyuss.

I do like the sound of that. I'm looking for nice midrange clean with the ability to overdrive it with pedals for a nice crunch. So you mean bass cab on guitar head? Or just get a tube bass amp?

Thanks!
#8
Quote by ThePariah
I do like the sound of that. I'm looking for nice midrange clean with the ability to overdrive it with pedals for a nice crunch. So you mean bass cab on guitar head? Or just get a tube bass amp?

Thanks!

A guitar head into a bass cab should work i think o.o
#10
I have been offered a Crate BT-530 with a marshall bass cab 4x10. I have also been offerd a Vintage Acoustic 140 Bass head. I know nothing about them, worthwhile trade? I haven't found much about them really...
#11
The Acoustic is worth it. Don't get the Crate.

But you can play a bass through a guitar head. Rob Trujillo of Metallica does it.
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#12
Quote by Raijouta
The Acoustic is worth it. Don't get the Crate.

But you can play a bass through a guitar head. Rob Trujillo of Metallica does it.


Yeah, I'm still thinking I might have to do just that, since the Ultra Plus is a better amp than what I am being offered in trade. It's just a little too dark/metal sounding for me. I used to have the Peavey Ultra 410, and it sounded perfect, I think I assumed that the Ultra Plus head would sound identical, but it definitely has a sound of it's own.

The search for the sound I want has been exhausting really...and now there is a wrench that I need to play guitar and bass. Maybe a JCM 800 or something like that would be nice through a bass cab...*wishing*
#13
Thunderverb 200. That is all.
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#14
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Thunderverb 200. That is all.



Thunderverb 200. SOunds menacing...

*googles*

Holy hell that is awesome.

*glances down at price*




*Too Poor owned*
#15
Get what you pay for.
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#17
Quote by Ian_the_fox
Are you guys just recording right now? If so, you don't need a bass amp for recording. It's easier and arguably better to just DI it. Like this.


Nice! I will keep this video save for later. The primary purpose is for live shows right now, our bassist moved and I picked up the duties, I used to play 5 or 6 years ago and had a 68 fender bassman that I loved, but I have just been playing guitar since then...

And now I need to cover both bass, and sometimes guitar duty, so I was looking for a universal solution...

Thanks for the input!
#20
Thanks for all the help, I have a guy that has some older but great sounding BK 410b, and 115b cabs. They are both rated for 8 ohms.

The ultra plus has selectable ohm, so should I set it to 4ohm and use both the 410(8ohm) and 115(8ohm), or just buy the 410(8ohm) and set it to 8?

What do you think would be the advantage/disadvantages? Volume?

Thanks again, you guys got me this far I just need a bit more insight and I can make the purchase.
#21
Quote by ThePariah
Thunderverb 200. SOunds menacing...

*googles*

Holy hell that is awesome.

*glances down at price*




*Too Poor owned*

You can get Used in minty condition from $1400-1500, if you're patient ... well worth it.
#22
Anyone on the cab/ohm question?
Last edited by ThePariah at Sep 21, 2011,
#23
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You can get Used in minty condition from $1400-1500, if you're patient ... well worth it.

That might be something to blow the tax return on this year. haha.
#25
Quote by SGRocker400
either both cabs or just the one would work as long as you match the ohmage. a 2x15 would be sweet too


OKay. That's what I was hoping, I would like to get both...
Thanks for the help!


These are the cabs.


I can afford the 4x10 right now, but I would like to have both, just looks sweeter and I imagine the 15 would put a nice low end on both the bass and guitar.
Last edited by ThePariah at Sep 24, 2011,