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#1
Okay, I've been debating this with friends and co-workers, how can we peacefully change the US government? The "average citizen" has become meaningless to The Federal GoverCorp. And for country's sake don't write anything about voting. Thats obvious, redundant and the modern day political reality in the US is our goverment is based on money, not democracy (or right or wrong or whats good for the non-millionaire).

So? What can we do? I don't think Betty Sutton is a bad person but I'm sure she wouldn't turn down a Cadillac Escalade full of $100 bills to vote whichever way behooves the trucks gifter. Otherwise she wouldn't be a politician. THATs the system that has to change. But how? The only ones that can actually change it are out cruisin' for hookers and more money in their escalades. No matter who you vote for its the same thing.

The people you vote for do the same things that made you not vote for the other "candidate". Thats the system its been manipulated into,"democratic" absurdity bedamned! You gotta pay to play mofo, what then?

What can an average citizen do? And besides being a lame nutflamer like that dude that thinks the Federal GoverCorp was behind 911, please none of that. I'm talking about reality, and the options we have come up with are:

  • Move to Abu Dabi. "you don't like eet yous can geeeet ouwt!"


  • Get use to it. You'll need a justin bieber like wardrobe, insurance insurance and a litre of Cap'n Morgan per day. At least til Thunder Dome


  • Start a militant group in Montana. That worked out well for...uh...uh...what was that one militant group that had the military standoff and were all killed?


  • Vote. For which brand of sandstone dildo you want to carry in your rectum for the next 2-4 years. (pretty much an extension of B, only it gets you outta class and work sometimes and decides who gets the Escalades full o' $)


  • Lie, cheat and steal your way to the new American Dream as a politician! Enjoy the hookers!


I think capitalism has date raped democracy.
Sadly, Democracy thinks she deserved it and the statute of limitations is expired anyways.

What do you think?
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#3
Holy shit, let me help you out here....

1)L2Paragraph
2)L2Paragraph
3)Don't post walls of text at ridiculous hours
4)tl;dr bro, love it

EDIT: And you put a period after your multiple choice "A," but not after the other options, my OCD...You bastard!
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#4
The first step is to use paragraphs so people can better understand you.
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#5
at the groud roots you can contact your local congressman and let them know of your concerns. You can encourage your friends and family to do the same. Find like minded people to bring the main concerns to your elected officials attention.
that is supposed to work, bad news bears for you and all of us that it doesn't really work any more. The government is not really "for the people" anymore and i am not completely convinced that it is "by the people" either (cough... hanging chad... cough). Long story short although i like America and hope it can change i doubt it will. Learn spanish or chinese and enjoy the ride as long as you can.
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#7
The users of this forum have some kind of aversion to reading anything that isn't nicely broken up for them. It's like their ability to read relies on the writer having taken the kind consideration to use paragraphs.

In short: AIDS.

anyway. Coup d'etat? Run for political office? The problem with democracy is that if there aren't enough people on board then the idea won't work. Which is fair, in my opinion. Nobody is forcing you to live in America. If you want to get it put in perspective for you, though, try living in the Middle East for a while, where 'human rights' is still a new idea that's being toyed with.

Is the government really grinding your gears that much? What would you change?
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#8
Whoa whoa dude, paragraphs. Please. Or at least provide a tl;dr.


Anyway, if an average citizen can change anything someone would've already done it, seeing as how there are millions of unhappy Uhmericuns at the moment.

Also that first option is stupid and I would never advocate such a terrible thing.
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#9
You can't. People usually accept that life is the way it is and you can't change it once they get a job and responsibilities.
#10
'Average' American??

I thought they were all fat bastards?
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#11
You can vote or run for politics yourself. Good luck doing either, though, if you're poor or you're not supporting the rich.
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#12
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E Lie, cheat and steal your way to the new American Dream as a politician! Enjoy the hookers!
I think capitalism has date raped democracy.
Sadly, Democracy thinks she deserved it and the statute of limitations is expired anyways.
What do you think?
(Euro pinions welcome)


If you think that you're such a top guy who deserves a perfect government, why don't you do it yourself. If you're so goddamned great, you won't need to lie cheat and/or steal because people will vote for you.

Also don't move to New Zealand. You whinge too much.
#13
Also don't move to New Zealand. You whinge too much.


Thanks for the warning!

Does "whinge" mean I sunburn too easily?
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#14
How can the average American help to change the government?

By not being the average American. Simples.
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#15
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How can the average American help to change the government?

By not being the average American. Simples.



Brilliant! Problem solved! Thread closed! Fascism here we come!
#16
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Brilliant! Problem solved! Thread closed! Fascism here we come!


I'm glad I was able to help.
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#19
I'm insulted that only the europeans apart from your nation can offer an opinion, for shame!

Edit:Okay I just said it aloud and realised my mistake, carry on.
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#20
Vote.

By "Vote" I mean all elections (federal, state, local, special elections, etc)
Low voter turnout is how most of the crazies get elected. Elections with less than 20% turnout means 80 plus % of the people didn't care enough to even try.

You certainly won't cause any real political change that way. (I also find it sad beyond belief that this country considers a 60% turnout "phenomenal")

Write your representatives at all levels (local, state, and Federal). By write, I mean put pen to paper, not e-mail.

They put the level of importance on communications as follows:

1) Petitions: Actual paper petitions with verifiable signature (i.e. Signature, name and addresses of registered voters in their district.)

2) Letters (With proper spelling and punctuation. They will ignore them without it. Also, you would need to be a registered voter in their district)

3) Phone Calls

4) E-mails (With proper spelling and punctuation. They will ignore them without it. Also, you would need to be a registered voter in their district.)

5) E-petitions (Hint: They are all but useless. No one pays any attention to them.)


In short, it will take determination and a lot of effort. The most effective way would require you to canvas neighborhoods (knock on doors, getting people to sign your petition, convince them to vote for another candidate, etc.)

Sitting on your ass at home will basically just accomplish growing your ass wider.
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#21
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EDIT: And you put a period after your multiple choice "A," but not after the other options, my OCD...You bastard!


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I just had to edit the 1st post now.

And tidy it up a bit. Took less than 30 seconds.
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#22
I always wondered why it's allowed for corporations and individuals to pay for support. Surely buying you way into politics is entirely against the whole principal of a democracy in the first place.

So removing that allowance is a first step, as a second reducing the salary of top level politicians will stop money grabbers going into politics. I think it would lead to more people who actually want to help getting into power as opposed to puppets to the corporate machine.

For the record I'm not a socialist / commie / etc etc.
#23
Get in touch with Socialist Alternative at http://www.socialistalternative.org/. They're the US sister organisation to my political party; they're one of the few with any answer whatsoever to the crises that we have been stumbling between from one day to the next. The only way to change politics for the better is through the mass involvement of ordinary working people, trade unions, students and service users. That doesn't discount the fight for improving things in your area - absolutely make a nuisance of yourself, go to council meetings, speak if you have the chance, write letters to your local representative, campaign against things. There are a hell of a lot more likeminded people out there than you might think.

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I always wondered why it's allowed for corporations and individuals to pay for support. Surely buying you way into politics is entirely against the whole principal of a democracy in the first place.

>assuming we have ever had a system where ordinary people could change things by any great measure through voting. As Mark Twain said, if voting changed anything they'd make it illegal.
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#24
I always get mad at my co-workers who don't vote or do any kind of political participation. I hate to quote Ghandi, but he said that you have to be the change you wish to see in the world, and that couldn't be more true. While politicians need money to run their elections, it is and always will be 1 person = 1 vote. And there are definitely a lot more wage slaves (Such as myself and my peers) than billionaires. If we all turn out to vote, they'll have to listen to us, but we don't.
#25
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As Mark Twain said, if voting changed anything they'd make it illegal.



I'm pretty sure Emma Goldman is the one the quotation is attributed to.
#27
Organize a popular movement to support strict campaign finance laws, proportional representation, ranked-choice voting, term limits, get rid of the parasitic corporate lobbyists. Basically do everything in the opposite direction of where this country's going right now.
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#28
People need to vote intelligently. As long we get stuck with pieces of shit candidates like Barrack Obama, John McCain, Rick Perry, or Hillary Clinton, nothing will ever be accomplished....
#29
Thanks all for your responses! I apologize for the "wall of words" and many thanks to the ghost-editor!
I think most of the stereotypes about the US are sadly accurate of the general population. Its frustrating to the small percentage of us Americans that care and don't wanna see our country turn into a giant, corporate, war machine.
I see some very interesting posts that I will be checking into so thanks again for the sincere posts.


ps. Don't hate on America too much, success goes to anybody's head. We just gotta fix some stuff that went wrong.
#30
I think we should have another boston tea party. That'll learn em.
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#31
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I think we should have another boston tea party. That'll learn em.

I agree, I've never been particularly fond of the British or their precious tea.

East Asian's know what's up with tea.
#32
There's this thing called voting. You vote in politicians who share the same ideals as you.

You're not going to see any huge changes in our current system unless something tragic occurs, like a total economic collapse.

So basically, if you're a socialist in America, you should probably move to a socialist country. If your just upset that creationism isn't taught in school, or abortions aren't illegal, vote and hope for the best, but if things don't change then you probably should or just be unhappy.
#33
Improve education and learn them kids good so our future politicians won't be stupid.
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#34
nuclear war. its the only option
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#36
In my opinion, the average American has little to no ability to change anything without substantial financial backing though personal connections.

Ever wonder why famous people are famous? The vast majority of the time, it is through social networking- knowing someone else in the industry.

Unfortunately for the USA and most of the rest of the world, the people who have the most money have the most say. Politics are obviously corrupt and are influenced by those who have the money. Don't call me a conspiracy theorist here- it's honest truth. We've all seen political scandals, insider trading, bribery, cold trading, etc. There's no denying that power corrupts.

I've often wondered why large gatherings of people never used that ability to demand change. Hell, they got millions of people in DC, together, at one time. I wonder what would happen if, say, a thousand or ten thousand people bum-rushed the White House, peacefully, and demanded change? What would happen then? Just wondering...
#37
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That's my solution to the fat lazy evil politicians.

What do you think about Rick Perry?
#38
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In my opinion, the average American has little to no ability to change anything without substantial financial backing though personal connections.

Ever wonder why famous people are famous? The vast majority of the time, it is through social networking- knowing someone else in the industry.

Unfortunately for the USA and most of the rest of the world, the people who have the most money have the most say. Politics are obviously corrupt and are influenced by those who have the money. Don't call me a conspiracy theorist here- it's honest truth. We've all seen political scandals, insider trading, bribery, cold trading, etc. There's no denying that power corrupts.

I've often wondered why large gatherings of people never used that ability to demand change. Hell, they got millions of people in DC, together, at one time. I wonder what would happen if, say, a thousand or ten thousand people bum-rushed the White House, peacefully, and demanded change? What would happen then? Just wondering...


Nothing, absolutely nothing. They had over 500 thousand a few months ago up in Washington, at the 9/12 thing. What happened, nothing.

EDIT: ^ You mean pointy boots Rick The Hair Perry? Hate him, but he's better than Obama.
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EDIT: ^ You mean pointy boots Rick The Hair Perry? Hate him, but he's better than Obama.

What don't you like about him (Perry, not Obammer)?
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What don't you like about him (Perry, not Obammer)?


The guy is a politician, and a idiot. He can talk the talk, but doesn't walk the walk, just like Obammer. Ever hear of the Trans Texas Corridor? That was a highway over the boarder, no boarder crossing or anything, just a straight highway, and it would of destroyed a ton of homes, and businesses, because they were going to use intimate(?) domain to get the land. And then they thing where he forced young girls to get a almost useless cervical vaccine, and just a long list of stuff like that, I don't remember most of it because I really don't like the guy.
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