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#41
Engl have good cleans. You can always go Mesa if you're not sure, though.
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#43
Surely, if you can find Engl for 660 euro, you can also find a Mesa for a similar price.
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#44
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Shit dude, the guy I worked with sold his Fireball to the dooder in Suffocation. It was the 120 watt If I'm not mistaken, but it might of been the 80.

He swears by it, used it was a 7 string Ibby, and a TS in the effects loop constantly. I think he used a Maxxon for a gain boost.

Tube Screamer in the loop?
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#45
Quote by dead-fish
Surely, if you can find Engl for 660 euro, you can also find a Mesa for a similar price.
Well, I guess I just haven't ran into any. I just always thought they only had heads that cost a fortune.
#46
I have to use Guitar Rig for Metal, as my proper gear couldn't pull off Metal.
#48
Quote by Crazed Shredder
Tube Screamer in the loop?

Added gain = more volume and I imagine for the tone as well. They are supposed to really color your top end.

I run a Digitech Clapton signature before my effects for volume and tone. The nice breakup I get with otherwise clean chords is gorgeous, almost MBV like.
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#49
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why anyone would want to shell out the wads of cash necessary for an engl or something is beyond me. plenty of tone can be had way cheaper if you buy old and used
Again, open for suggestions. I didn't think 600 euro was that expensive really.
#50
What I would recommend doing is looking for a cheaper, used tube amp and buying a good distortion pedal. I'd look around for old Sunn stuff, and ideally a Peavey VTM 60 or 120. Then, with all the money you'll save you can grab a sweet distortion pedal. Those Peaveys are fantastic, I used to have one and it's definitely the most versatile tube amp Ive played. They're cheap too. I bought a VTM 60 for $250, which I think is around 185 euro
#51
^Sunn amps aren't that much cheaper (if at all, looking at some Model T's on E-bay that go for upwards than 1500), and there's a big difference between a mid-level Peavey and an Engl.
Dude wants a nice amp.
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Added gain = more volume and I imagine for the tone as well. They are supposed to really color your top end.

I run a Digitech Clapton signature before my effects for volume and tone. The nice breakup I get with otherwise clean chords is gorgeous, almost MBV like.

Drives through the loop are almost always terrible sounding. Plus, an 80 watt Engl has more than enough volume and gain for any purpose other than playing Wembley stadium without a PA system, and you would get the same addition of volume and gain from the pedal if you would run it through the preamp.

If he's on to something though, I won't argue with it.

Deadit: However, Sanitarium, you could go with what Zero Substance is saying (and with what Illum mentioned in his opening post), and grab a cheaper amp with great cleans that takes pedals very well, and just run a battery of pedals into that.

Also, you should look into Rivera stuff. Was very impressed with both their dirt and cleans.
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#52
This isn't metal at all, but I want a midi keyboard between the $50-$100 range to play around on. Any suggestions?
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#53
Hmm, yeah I guess I might wanna think about that, but I know even less about pedals than I do about amps, so again a whole new world to get lost in. I guess I've always wanted an amp that doesn't need a pedal anyways, but money is money. Also, would be great to have two EQ's for both the clean and dirt, but that'd have to be just a big plus.

Rivera eh? Not familiar with em at all, will look into them.
#54
Quote by jazar94
This isn't metal at all, but I want a midi keyboard between the $50-$100 range to play around on. Any suggestions?


I would suggest just getting a shitty (but touch sensitive) keyboard. Most of them have a MIDI out anyway, and once plugged into a pc will override the sounds build into the keyboard.

I bought a Yamaha PSR313 recently for about £40 (used), which is probably in your price range and would do everything a MIDI keyboard would.
#57
I might have it backwards, but he used one of the gain pedals to boost his overall volume for both clean and gain channels. I'm pretty sure he got the idea from Hammet or Dimebag, one of those guys did it. He didn't like Randalls though. He loves Dime (i got in many an argument with him) and modeled some of his setup after him. You can see his band on YouTube, name is Demise of All Reason.

It's deathcore though, but not overtly terrible for what it is. I know the original guitar player from The Autumn Offering too
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#58
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That looks nice. Time to start selling shit and saving up.

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#59
My stuffs:

PRS SE Custom 24 with a BKP Nailbomb in the bridge

Jet City 20 watt single-channel combo

Pedals, in chain order:
Buddah Bud-Wah (for playing Metallica solos and porn soundtracks)
PTD Bone Machine fuzz (for anything fuzzy that isn't stoner and aural terror)
Catalinbread Supercharged Overdrive (for non-metal distortion)
PiggyFX Brown Pig distortion (metal)
EHX Little Big Muff (for stoner, will hopefully be switching it out soon for a Creepy Fingers)
Rothwell Atomic Booster treble booster (for piercing ear drums and shattering monocles)
Johnson Tremolo (for playing the first 2 notes of Riders On The Storm)

It all costs way too much money, and is totally only there for compensating over my sub-par playing.
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#60
I forgot you had a PRS. I want one now.

I play shite gear except for my Boss ME50 B effects unit and my Squier VM Jazz.

The Jazz has a Leo Quan Badass II bridge (nickel), DiMarzio Ultra Jazz pickups, I clear coated the neck with polyurethane, and I run Ernie Ball Hybrid Strings (105 -> 45)
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#62
I've read through this thread about five times yet I always click on it expecting conversations about hiding in a box.
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#63
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I forgot you had a PRS. I want one now.

I play shite gear except for my Boss ME50 B effects unit and my Squier VM Jazz.

The Jazz has a Leo Quan Badass II bridge (nickel), DiMarzio Ultra Jazz pickups, I clear coated the neck with polyurethane, and I run Ernie Ball Hybrid Strings (105 -> 45)


PRS SE, those cost like 500$
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#64
http://www.soft.com.sg/forum/showthread.php/211730-FS-T-Extremely-rare-and-boutique-pedals!

This dude is selling a toneczar openhaus. Shiieeeeet. Anybody with the cash, buy it ASAP before someone else does.
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#65
Quote by illuminatiano
PRS SE, those cost like 500$

When I have the cash, I'm getting the smoke one. No doubt.

How are those pickups?
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#66
Quote by progbass
When I have the cash, I'm getting the smoke one. No doubt.

How are those pickups?

You mean on the SE? The ones that I have (which is the recently discontinued line) were very nice, although a bit bland.
The bridge pickup wasn't exactly what I wanted, so I switched it out for a Nailbomb, but the neck pickup is still stock and I've got no plans on changing it.
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#68
Quote by progbass
When I have the cash, I'm getting the smoke one. No doubt.

How are those pickups?


The SE pickups ? dunno.

If I were you I'd get the Paul Allender signature (who cares about the dude, his signature guitar looks amazing and is as cheap as the SEs) and then put in real PRS pickups like the HFS Treble/Vintage Bass or the Cu22 ones.
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#69
I might just drop Dimarzios in it because I'm that guy.

pretty versatile though Deady? Can play death metal and jazz/blues just by turning a few knobs? (Tone variation I'm talking aboot)

Also, Paul, how is that Thunderverb? I was thinking about getting one late down the line. Thats the bass and guitar head thing they offer right?
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#70
You might want to tweek your amp a bit if you want that full-on metal sound, as they have quite a bit of mids and are generally more rock-voiced, but they have plenty of output, and the tone and volume knobs are very responsive.

Had mine modified with a 5 way (bridge-outer coils in parallel-inner coils in series-inner coils in parallel-neck) and a reverse phase push-pull, I can go from Nevermore to Kyuss to Stooges to BB King to British invasion jangle.
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#71
I've only been playing around two years and haven't had many chances to play around with different equipment, so perhaps you guys can explain something for me. I was looking at my Peavey Backstage II and thinking of giving it another go when I noticed it says "Trans-Tube" on the front. What does that mean, exactly?
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#72
Quote by progbass
Also, Paul, how is that Thunderverb? I was thinking about getting one late down the line. Thats the bass and guitar head thing they offer right?

It's pretty awesome. It was designed for drop tuned/extended range guitars originally I think, but bassists that wanted a shitload of gain started using it too.

It's pretty damn ballsy. It has two gain channels that sound a lot different from each other. Channel A is more rock voiced and Channel B is more metal, but i usually use Channel A plus my big muff clone for stoner/doom and Channel B for cleans. It's possible to get some really nice cleans out of it if you turn up the gain on Channel B and turn down the volume knob on your guitar, but that's annoying to do when you want to change channels quickly, so I just have the gain turned down and put up with mediocre cleans.

EDIT - Channel B can give some great Acid Bath tones.
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#73
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I've only been playing around two years and haven't had many chances to play around with different equipment, so perhaps you guys can explain something for me. I was looking at my Peavey Backstage II and thinking of giving it another go when I noticed it says "Trans-Tube" on the front. What does that mean, exactly?

Peavey marketting trick, supposedly solid-state technology that sounds like tube amps. Doesn't mean anything more than an MG with the writing "the amp to end all amps" spray-painted on its face.
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#75
The good ones are supposed to be top level. My SE one is stable, but not rock solid. Some locking tuners should fix that, though.

As for downtuning, haven't had any problems.
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#77
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It's pretty awesome. It was designed for drop tuned/extended range guitars originally I think, but bassists that wanted a shitload of gain started using it too.

It's pretty damn ballsy. It has two gain channels that sound a lot different from each other. Channel A is more rock voiced and Channel B is more metal, but i usually use Channel A plus my big muff clone for stoner/doom and Channel B for cleans. It's possible to get some really nice cleans out of it if you turn up the gain on Channel B and turn down the volume knob on your guitar, but that's annoying to do when you want to change channels quickly, so I just have the gain turned down and put up with mediocre cleans.

EDIT - Channel B can give some great Acid Bath tones.


Well, I was hoping to pair a PRS SE with the Thunderverb, add a few necessary stompboxes like Reverb, Delay, Chorus, Synth, and maybe a flanger or phaser.

Use it to write fuzzed out Fripp esque prawg. Is that the 2x10 cab you have with it? What speakers are in there? I imagine Orange head + Orange cab sounds great. Where does the tonal range of the head seem to be centered around, lower mids?
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#78
It's definitely a bass heavy amp.

It's a closed back 2x12 cab. I think there are V30's on there.
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#79
Quote by illuminatiano


and an ESP EX-400 with 81/85 EMGs... I've thought about changing the pickups, are there any active ones out there that are legit awesome ?


Yea, on my ESP LTD H-1001 Deluxe, I switched my EMG pickups for Seymour Duncan AHB-2B on the bridge and AHB-1N on the neck

and it has that ****ing killer sound, well balanced pickups for metal
#80
Quote by Redheadbanger
Yea, on my ESP LTD H-1001 Deluxe, I switched my EMG pickups for Seymour Duncan AHB-2B on the bridge and AHB-1N on the neck

and it has that ****ing killer sound, well balanced pickups for metal


what kind of metal do you play ?

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