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#41
are you referring to any improvised jam sections or specifically the really experimental stuff which usually utilizes lots of cacophony and free form kind of shit
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#42
I refuse to call Pink Floyd psychadelic space rock.
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#43
I refuse to call anything psychadelic.
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#44
@progbass
Honestly, Wish You Were Here and DSOTM are two of the most well composed albums of the 20th century, just because they got mainstream attention doesn't mean they were bad. In fact, I think Pink Floyd is one of the few bands in history that continued to produce good (possibly even better) work with a massive fanbase.

Perhaps they're not prog (I don't really agree with this, but I can see your argument concerning their sound vs. most other bands of the time), but still, Wish You Were Here is an immensely well constructed album, and I think you should go listen to it with a more open mind.
#45
Jam sections are the shit. In most cases, even the most abstract jams have a purpose.

That said, the jam in Moonchild could be a tad shorter.
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#47
A very cool album that I think only me and Scourge441 enjoy around here...

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I want to try that while playing the opening riff to "Tempting Time".

0-0-0-13-0-0-0-0-13 or something like that alalalala but It;s so heavy and off time and awesome and you could not f**k anyone to it.


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#50
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a great album! I'm surprised you know it, its always been one of my better kept secrets.

I'm finishing up class now djents, I'll get the ball rolling here shortly.

Also, haven't heard Steel Mill, can you describe their sound to me?
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#51
Quote by progbass
a great album! I'm surprised you know it, its always been one of my better kept secrets.

Disclaimer: 80% of the music I listen to, I never mention on this forum


Banco Del Mutuo Soccorso's no doubt my favourite of the Italian prog scene
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#52
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Eh?


the most epic psychedelic/space/prog/ZAPYOURMINDFREAKOUT!!!! collective ever.
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#53
Quote by Kepulix
Disclaimer: 80% of the music I listen to, I never mention on this forum


Banco Del Mutuo Soccorso's no doubt my favourite of the Italian prog scene


Please tell me that little quote in your sig is from Brain Salad Surgery
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#54
Quote by romencer17
are you referring to any improvised jam sections or specifically the really experimental stuff which usually utilizes lots of cacophony and free form kind of shit


I guess all, but mainly the free form stuff.

EDIT: No but I will progbass.
Last edited by Born Headless at Sep 21, 2011,
#55
It's Paul Roland, though I love me some ELP.

I would go on a rant about Roland's brilliance, but his music is not prog.
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#56
Sorry for off-topic, but Kep are you in London this semester?
Quote by Ultraussie
I want to try that while playing the opening riff to "Tempting Time".

0-0-0-13-0-0-0-0-13 or something like that alalalala but It;s so heavy and off time and awesome and you could not f**k anyone to it.


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#57
Quote by Kepulix
It's Paul Roland, though I love me some ELP.

I would go on a rant about Roland's brilliance, but his music is not prog.

Ahhh, I definately heard the line in this song though link. Brain Salad Surgery from '74

0:55 -> 1:03

very similar, but not the same.
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#58
Quote by Stranglehold
Sorry for off-topic, but Kep are you in London this semester?

I'm still going through my very last final exams and then I have my military service beginning in January. Won't be moving to England until autumn 2012 at earliest. Don't know anymore if it's London or some less-urban city/town that I will reside to.

It all depends on how well I do in these last two exams and then I'll have to see if I can even afford moving to London because of the tuition fee raises.
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I... I should return to Arkham.


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#59
*cough*Free education in Scotland*cough*
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#60
Hessian Progressive Music

The following are house recs and a general overview of some essential progressive albums.

Starting Out (First timers)
Pink Floyd - Dark Side of the Moon
Jethro Tull - Aqualung
King Crimson - In the Court of the Crimson King
Genesis - Foxtrot
Yes - The Yes Album
Primiata Forneria Marconi - Per Un Amico
Rush - Moving Pictures
The Doors - The Doors

Best of...(A level albums)
King Crimson - Red
Yes - Close to the Edge
Jethro Tull - Thick As A Brick
Genesis - A Lamb Lies Down on Broadway
Van Der Graaf Generator - Godbluff
Pink Floyd - Wish You Were Here
Camel - Mirage
Gentle Giant - In a Glass House
Dead Can Dance - A Serpent's Egg
Tangerine Dream - Phaedra
Emerson Lake and Palmer - Tarkus
Frank Zappa - Overnight Sensation

Further Listening...(B level albums)
King Crimson - In the Wake of Posiedon ~ Islands ~ Lizard ~ Starless & Bible Black ~ Larks Tongues in Aspic
Emerson Lake & Palmer - ELP (s/t) ~ Trilogy ~ Brain Salad Surgery
Jethro Tull - A Passion Play ~ Benefit
Van Der Graaf Generator - Pawn Hearts ~ Still Life
Pink Floyd - The Wall ~ Meddle ~ Animals
Dead Can Dance - Spleen & Ideal ~ Dead Can Dance ~ Aion
Tangerine Dream - Alpha Centauri ~ Zeit ~ Rubycon ~ Ricochet
Camel - Camel (s/t) ~ Snowgoose Chronicles ~ Moonmadness
Frank Zappa - One Size Fits All ~ Sheik Yerbouti ~ Hot Rats
Yes - Fragile ~ Relayer
Le Orme - Felona E Sorona ~ Uomo Di Pezza
Gentle Giant - Gentle Giant (s/t) ~ Acquiring the Taste ~ Octopus
Banco Del Mutuo Soccorso - Darwin ~ Io Sono Nato Libero
Soft Machine - The Soft Machine ~ Volume Two ~ Third
Primiata Forneria Marconi - Storia Di Un Minuto
Caravan - In The Land of the Grey and Pink

Proto-Prog...(precursor to progressive rock)

The Who - Quadrophrenia ~ Tommy
The Beatles - Sergent Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band
The Doors - The Soft Parade ~ Strange Days
Deep Purple - Machine Head
Jimi Hendrix - Are You Experienced?
Led Zeppelin - Led Zeppelin II
Black Sabbath - Black Sabbath ~ Paranoid

Stylistic Variations of Prog
Progressive Rock, like metal, had various different scenes and stylistic variations in it's heyday. Here are a few with a brief list of bands in each.

Canterbury Scene Prog - Caravan, Soft Machine, Gong, Hatfield and the North, Camel

Krautrock - Ash Rah Tempel, Amon Duul, Gila, Can, Popol Vuh

Eclectic Prog - King Crimson, Van Der Graaf Generator, Gentle Giant, Diagonal, Univers Zero

Neo-Prog - Porcupine Tree, Tangent, Marillion, Gordian Knot, Tool, Oceansize

Prog-folk - Dead Can Dance, Jethro Tull, Gryphon, Comus, Spirogyra

Progressive Electronica - Tangerine Dream, Klaus Schulze, Brian Eno, Kraftwerk, Franco Leprino

Italian Prog - Premiata Forneria Marconi, Le Orma, Banco Del Mutuo Succorso, Celeste, Area

Psychedelic / Space Rock - The Doors, Hawkwind, Pink Floyd, Acid Mothers Temple, No-Man

Symphonic Prog - Yes, Emerson Lake & Palmer, Genesis, Camel, Steve Hackett

Prog Archives - like Metal Archives, but with a crappier layout and for progressive bands. A great resource sans most of the reviews / progressive metal additions. The users there are extremely biased (moreso than MA) and generally don't take Hessian values into consideration.
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#61
edited that into the first post, about to do the album thing I was talking about yesterday

found this track Clyding. Its pretty metal, almost like a progressive Manilla Road.

Album Discussion of the Week

Diagonal - Semipermeable Membrane



Don't be fooled by the 2008 release date lads, this is some classic revivalist prog in the vein of King Crimson, Yes, and Emerson Lake & Palmer. The English seven are very open in wearing their influences on their sleeves, and jump right into the thick of it with a 5/4 intro buildup in the first slab of music which happens to be the title track.

The album has all the hallmarks of a "classic" prog record, such as reverb'ed vocals, fuzzy and uncompressed guitars, magnificent drum work, loud synthesizers and emulated Mellotrons, and a man who runs around playing more instruments than you can shake a stick at.

The other thing you will notice is that the album follows the same flow and structure as King Crimson's debut, the masterful In the Court... After the heavy and hedonist stylings of the opener, the album takes a much more somber and quiet note with the following two tracks, Child of the Thundercloud and Deathwatch. It showcases a very nice diversity for the band, and allows the music breathing room and sets a great atmosphere that recalls the fondest moments of the classic UK bands.

Frequently the band takes the King Crimson / Yes / Camel path where the vocals take a back seat to the instruments, which allows the songs to develop and move forward.

However, there is a giant elephant in the room djents. Although the album is always a great listen, and extremely well done for a modern progressive band without sounding like rehashed "teck" riffs or boring dirges in the same key, they do tend to sound a bit too much like their idols and end up sacrificing originality. It is clearly Fripp / Palmer / Brufford / Collins / Whetton / Emerson / Sinfield / Wakeman / Howe / Squier / Lake worship, but it is well executed worship, and sounds fresh to boot.

Without knowing that the album was created in 2008 prior to listening, I would of easily marked it down as a derivative (albeit very good) of the classic UK bands we all love. Well worth the listen in the long run.

Progarchives Link
Deathwatch
Child of the Thundercloud
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#62
Excellent stuff. Can I recommend that the Ozric Tentacles are included somewhere? They have some fantastic material, particularly on 'Jurassic Shift'. I guess they'd fit in psychedelic/space rock.
#63
I am trying to generally stay away from the more obscure stuff, which would best serve as a rec to someone looking to explore Space Rock further.

ALBUM OF THE WEEK IS READY FOR DISCUSSION LADS
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#66
Great idea for a thread, didn't think there would be a lot of people from the metal forum that dig progressive.

That sounds like a great album by the way progbass, will check it out.
#67
Quote by CoreysMonster
I live in Hesse and what is this.

Since most Hessians (that is, the other definition of Hessians my dear German) listen to/ like/ love progressive music, I created a thread where regs and neophytes alike can congregate to discuss said music rather than clogging up other threads with irrelevant discussion.

Most, if not all of the bands listed in our rec list have some hand in helping forge the "heavy and heady" sound of early heavy metal, and their influences can still be felt today in bands such as Necromass, Necromantia, etc.

In regards to their being a Prog/ Shred forum, that is a boring place with little to no traffic, and too much focus on modern progressive. This is more of an all inclusive thread where bands that don't quite fit in other areas of the site / forum can be discussed (such as Dead Can Dance, Tangerine Dream, and all the Krautrock).

Feel free to join in on current discussions.

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Great idea for a thread, didn't think there would be a lot of people from the metal forum that dig progressive.

That sounds like a great album by the way progbass, will check it out.


There is definitely a cult following of sorts, and almost all the regulars have dabbled in a prog record or two. My goal is the broaden that umbrella to do what we do best around here - share music that is highly enjoyable.
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#68
Semipermeable Membrane is a cool album. I caught Diagonal by chance at a festival a few years ago and they were very enjoyable.
#69
Quote by Stranglehold
A very cool album that I think only me and Scourge441 enjoy around here...


Everyone should check this out.

I've listened to that Diagonal album, but I don't remember much from it. I'll revisit it soon-ish.

EDIT: Decided to just do it now. According to Prog Archives and most sources I can find, it's actually a self-titled album.
Last edited by Scourge441 at Sep 21, 2011,
#70
I'm actually disappointed that I haven't heard any news whatsoever about the band since they released the debut. There is really some talent available to them, and I'm curious to see if they can really come into their own and release something entirely original without relying so much on their influences.

Yeah I was browsing that Steel Mill album earlier, Stangles or you or somebody should cover it for an album discussion in the future.
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#71
I'm not seeing any mention of Zappa's Apostrophe.
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#72
Quote by progbass
Since most Hessians (that is, the other definition of Hessians my dear German) listen to/ like/ love progressive music, I created a thread where regs and neophytes alike can congregate to discuss said music rather than clogging up other threads with irrelevant discussion.

I didn't know there was another definition of Hessian.

I will be following this thread.

#73
Quote by dead-fish
I'm not seeing any mention of Zappa's Apostrophe.

thats the one I couldn't remember. Basically anything from 70-78 is highly worth checking out.

Just edited it in.

@ Scourge - I've seen it referred to as both, I just go by the opening track as you can tell.
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Last edited by progbass at Sep 21, 2011,
#74
Semi-Permeable Men Brain by Diagnol reminds me so much of King Crimson, especially mid way at around the 4-6 minutes where it gets really crazy. Me like.

Thundercloud has such a beautiful piano, I may try learning that by ear.
#76
That list has some serious flaws matt (the one in the opening post)...

the most important being, where the fuck is Dead Can Dance's Within the Realm of a Dying Sun ? That's by far my favorite and I know for a couple others as well (Sam I know for one).

It also doesn't make any sense to have just one album per band in the best section if multiple albums are just as good as the other. It's impossible to pick one best album for Pink Floyd for instance.

In the A albums, In The Court and Larks Tongues def deserve a spot. I would put Red in the B albums category along with Wake of Poseidon and Islands.

For Pink Floyd, DSotM (you can still keep it in the starting out section), Animals, Meddle and Wish You Were Here all belong in the A level group with The Wall, Atom Heart Mother and Saucerful/Piper in the B level.

The Doors is definitely an A level album with The Soft Parade, L.A. Woman, Waiting for the Sun in B level.

You're also missing some serious Fripp & Eno in there.

And the only Rush album you included being Moving Pictures ? 2112, Hemispheres and A Farewell To Kings should all be in the A level section with Fly By Night, S/T, Permanent Waves and Caress of Steel in the B level.


those are all the major things I can think off right now, it's good though
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#77
Thanks for the Zappa suggestions progbass! I've been wondering what to start with because he has so many ****ing albums
#78
Hot Rats should honestly be in the entry level section. Best one to pop your Zappa cherry with. Quintessence's "In Blissful Company" and "Dive Deep" should be on the list too.

Other than that, super stoked on all the prog i haven't heard yet being mentioned yet, my recc list is gonna be out of control haha
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Last edited by romencer17 at Sep 21, 2011,
#80
Quote by dillonrips7
Led Zeppelin II is proto prog?

Reading the proto prog, I'm confused what Prog even is anymore.

But regardless, this list was really unhelpful as I listen to most of these bands already. There's a few I could try out, but that's about it. But still, the albums are good choices.