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#1
http://news.yahoo.com/americans-freed-prison-leave-iran-144936214.html

To summarize, a couple of American travelers overstepped the Iraq/Iran boundary and were sentenced to jail by the Iranian government. The US government had to spend 1 million for their release. It's not clear whether this funding is from taxpayer's money.

What are your sentiments and attitude toward incidents like this? Personally, I think the travelers are goddamn idiots. I don't think taxpayer money should be used to pay for their stupidity.

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#2
It's definitely their fault and was absolutely stupid of them, but given Iran's air of hostility towards the US, it'd probably be best to get them out first and worry about it later.
#3
Iran is such a place where a traveller from abroad can either be greeted with an enormous amont of friendliness and hospitality, or be sentenced to jail/decapitation. You can't really tell on beforehand either. Things like getting sentenced to jail is pretty rare. They made a mistake and I think it was a good choice helping them.
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If it was you, I think you'd support the spending.

If it was me, I'd never go hiking on the Iraq/Iranian border in the first place.

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#6
I think they should be bailed out, even though they were really stupid.
#7
I think it's the right thing to do. Yes, they're idiots, but does that mean they should be left to rot? I wouldn't think so.
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#8
You can't comprehend how brutal an iranian prison can be , especially for an american. The punishment doesn't fit the crime so its the right thing to get them out.
#9
Yes, there are way worse uses of taxpayer money than getting our own citizens out of phony espionage charges.
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I think it's the right thing to do. Yes, they're idiots, but does that mean they should be left to rot? I wouldn't think so.

Why not? We can't cover every single idiotic action there is. There isn't any US law prohibiting travel. There are plenty of domestic idiocy that gets no safety. There are even plenty of legitimate issues that genuinely NEED funding, yet don't get any, such as the 9/11 responders medical fund. But two retards who were clearly asking for it get one mil? How is that fair?

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#11
It's the right thing to do - They would not have had a good time in those prisons, and who knows how long they would be there for.

It was kind of stupid, but countries borders aren't marked with a big, fat red line are they?
They probably should have planned their route better but in that sort of landscape I can see how it is pretty easy to stray a bit.
#12
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If it was me, I'd never go hiking on the Iraq/Iranian border in the first place.


It's a hypothetical, but your answer was highly pathetical
#13
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Why not? We can't cover every single idiotic action there is. There isn't any US law prohibiting travel. There are plenty of domestic idiocy that gets no safety. There are even plenty of legitimate issues that genuinely NEED funding, yet don't get any, such as the 9/11 responders medical fund. But two retards who were clearly asking for it get one mil? How is that fair?

If you want to talk about uncessary spending, there are far better things to pick on than helping two guys who make a mistake. Like muffins.
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#14
How much do we spend on subsidies to oil companies or large-scale agribusiness? Or tax breaks for the wealthy. Or war. $1 mil is nothing.
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#15
This is the most judgmental thread ever. It's not like these guys were like "yeah! let's get arrested!" foreigners, especially Americans, are generally really naive when it comes to being in other countries.

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#17
They're retarded, but I think it IS our responsibility to bail them out, at least this once.

On a separate note, how is it that two American hikers can venture into Iran and get instantly jailed, yet several million Mexicans can venture into the U.S. and get jobs?
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Yes, there are way worse uses of taxpayer money than getting our own citizens out of phony espionage charges.

Or we paid to get our spies back. Either way I have no issue with it.
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#21
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Why not? We can't cover every single idiotic action there is. There isn't any US law prohibiting travel. There are plenty of domestic idiocy that gets no safety. There are even plenty of legitimate issues that genuinely NEED funding, yet don't get any, such as the 9/11 responders medical fund. But two retards who were clearly asking for it get one mil? How is that fair?

The US's relationship with Iran isn't the guys' fault, and the US government's first priority is to look after its citizens.

If the politics allow action to help, they have a duty to. It's sad that politics have to decide it, but that's the way the system works.
#22
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Why not? We can't cover every single idiotic action there is. There isn't any US law prohibiting travel. There are plenty of domestic idiocy that gets no safety. There are even plenty of legitimate issues that genuinely NEED funding, yet don't get any, such as the 9/11 responders medical fund. But two retards who were clearly asking for it get one mil? How is that fair?

Just because they made a small mistake while hiking they doesn't mean they should be locked up for god knows how long. It's pretty easy to accidentally cross another country's border, especially when it's someplace you don't know well. Although, I think when they're home they should be made to do some community service or something similar.
Yes they were incompetent in getting stuck there in the first place, but it's hardly the most ridiculous thing the US government has spent money on.


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It was kind of stupid, but countries borders aren't marked with a big, fat red line are they?
They probably should have planned their route better but in that sort of landscape I can see how it is pretty easy to stray a bit.

Of course not, but what are the odds that if you are hiking very close to Iran, that you might actually be in Iranian territory? It's just common sense to stay away from a politically hostile region like that in the first place. And it's not like there aren't well-known precedents that should have slapped some sense into "adventurous" travelers before.

And I'm not saying that this is the WORST use of tax money ever. I'm just judging it as an isolated case.

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#24
Who the **** goes hiking near Iran and Iraq?
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Of course not, but what are the odds that if you are hiking very close to Iran, that you might actually be in Iranian territory? It's just common sense to stay away from a politically hostile region like that in the first place. And it's not like there aren't well-known precedents that should have slapped some sense into "adventurous" travelers before.

And I'm not saying that this is the WORST use of tax money ever. I'm just judging it as an isolated case.

What are the odds of 3 Americans hiking in a country that is involved in a civil war with one side being aided by Iran and these people being on that particular boarder?
I saw all kinds of American "hikers" in Central America in the 80s. Didn't take much horsepower to figure out who they were working for.
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I'd like to see you bitch about it if the noose was around your neck.

Honestly, in this predicament, I deserve a death sentence. No one else should be burdened with my suicidal stunt.

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What are the odds of 3 Americans hiking in a country that is involved in a civil war with one side being aided by Iran and these people being on that particular boarder?

So you're suggesting that they really are spies?

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#28
Yeah sure, get them out, I assume they're important if the government used 1 million to get them out.
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#29
I'm cool with spending one million dollars for something worthwhile.
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#30
First, they were hiking in Iraqi Kurdistan, which is an autonomous region of Iraq that is almost completely unaffected by the current war in the rest of Iraq. In fact, parts of Iraqi Kurdistan are tourist destinations. It's not like they were taking a stroll through Fallujah.

Second, it's not as though the hikers went to the Middle East for shits and grins; all three of them lived and worked in the region prior to their hiking trip. It was a vacation that local residents had recommended as safe and enjoyable.

Third, Iran is fucking crazy. We all know this. It's quite likely that the hikers never actually crossed the border at all.


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So you're suggesting that they really are spies?

I have no idea really. I'm suggesting it's a possibility.
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Honestly, in this predicament, I deserve a death sentence. No one else should be burdened with my suicidal stunt.


So you're suggesting that they really are spies?


Honestly? Bullshit.
I don't think anyone has enough empathy to truly know what they would want in that situation, but wanting to have your life saved is certainly a natural reaction.
Also I don;t see how their actions were in anyway suicidal - perhaps misguided, but they aren't asking to be hung.

I think he is suggesting they could be spies, which seems plausible.
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Third, Iran is fucking crazy. We all know this. It's quite likely that the hikers never actually crossed the border at all.

I'm not suggesting that they have unequivocally crossed the border. In fact, most likely they didn't (I don't think anyone is THAT stupid). You're absolutely right in that Iranian border patrols probably went out of their way and overstepped their boundary. But even so, they should have considered the risks given the very well-known nature of this kind of thing.

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Honestly? Bullshit.
I don't think anyone has enough empathy to truly know what they would want in that situation, but wanting to have your life saved is certainly a natural reaction.

Every day, there are people who risk their lives to do something and they don't ask to be saved, only hope for the best. If for whatever reason I was doing that, I would never expect to be saved. And given how callous this is, I wouldn't want to.

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Well let's see. I just voiced an opinion, and you tell me you wish me the worst. How is that warranted? I don't even know who the hell you are. But if I give a negative reaction, it's suddenly justified?

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I'm not suggesting that they have unequivocally crossed the border. In fact, most likely they didn't (I don't think anyone is THAT stupid). You're absolutely right in that Iranian border patrols probably went out of their way and overstepped their boundary. But even so, they should have considered the risks given the very well-known nature of this kind of thing.


The thing is, it's not well known. Like someone posted earlier, sometimes Iran is extremely welcoming and gracious to Americans. In any case, it's documented that the region they were vacationing in is usually welcoming and gracious. It's reasonable to assume there's some risk, but I don't think anyone expected that three people on a hike in a somewhat tourist-y area would be arrested by Iranian border patrol.

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#37
We spend billions each year paying for people's healthcare/saving lives, why not theirs as well?
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#38
I find this an almost perfect excuse to use taxpayer's money.
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#40
I think it is quite funny how everyone is always saying: "not with my tax money". They use it as an argument but the numbers in the problems are usually far greater than the amount of tax these people pay. So they should just... shut up.
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