#1
Bit of a novice with effects and what not. I've owned a boss ns2 and a BBE sonic stomp in the past but sold them both off as i realized i didn't really need them because my JSX has a decent built in noise gate and generally great sound.

I've been looking into the Line 6 M13. It looks like it has pretty much every feature i could possibly need from a pedal board (debatable but I mean for the music I actually play)
Would it be a sensible to purchase something like the M13 or to just start off a pedal board for myself?
#2
multi-fx is easy and cheap, seperate pedals are gonna sound much better
#4
The M13 is actually a pretty good unit, tweak adjustments and saving presets is pretty easy. I prefer individual pedals though. How many FX do you normally use? If you get your OD/Dist from your amp and are just looking for a phaser or delay it might be best to just get individual pedals.
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#5
It's a choice only you can make. Whether individuals pedals will sound better or not is debatable. And it probably depends more on your playing and making the right choices in buying exactly the pedal that works for you. The multifx puts so many options at your fingertips that it may be more likely that you will find the sound that makes it all come together.

The M13 is a lot of pedal and not cheap. The M9 and the Zoom G3 are cheaper and offer a lot of FX.
#6
if its something like the g system **** yeah go with the mfx and if its something like a cheap 200$ mfx stay away
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#7
I'd start off with something like the M5 or the M9. Once you figure out what you like, you can get individual units if the modeler just isn't doing it for you. The Line 6 stuff is getting better every year though, so the M5 may cover most of your needs, and you can just upgrade to the M13 or whatever replaces it if you find that it's as good for your purposes as a bunch of individual pedals.

Deepsal - the M5 retails at 200 and sounds amazing. The options are fairly limited (only one effect at a time, cramped layout), but the sounds are (almost) all there. A lot of the M5 models give the G-system a run for its money.
#8
Quote by deepsal
if its something like the g system **** yeah go with the mfx and if its something like a cheap 200$ mfx stay away

Not true. The m5, zoom g3, and rp355 have great sounding effects for the price.
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#9
My vote goes to the M13. But it all depends on what you are going to use. Honestly if you need distortion then I would say individual pedals. IMO the M13 has some great sounding effects but dirt ain't one of them. If you don't need dirt then I would go for it unless you only want 2-3 different effects.
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#10
If you want everything, including a A/DA Flanger, the M13 is a great buy That being said, what other people have said about it's dirt models is true, that they should be avoided. But it makes for a great effect processor box, and it also has a bunch of switches, which is always fun.
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#11
Quote by bluestratplayer
the M13 has some great sounding effects but dirt ain't one of them. If you don't need dirt then I would go for it unless you only want 2-3 different effects.
The Chandler Tube Drive model and the Fuzzes on the M series are quite good.
#12
Quote by kutless999
Not true. The m5, zoom g3, and rp355 have great sounding effects for the price.

sounding good and sounding good for the price are two completely different things if you know what i mean miss
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#13
a big part of your decision should be based not so much on how many fx you want to use as how you need to use them. i have a very simple pedal setup which suites my basic fx needs. they are all pretty much set a certain way and stay that way when playing live (a little knob fiddling happens on a couple of songs). this works well if you are using similar tones throughout the set (i use mainly strats so using the various pickups combos plus the volume knob and wah accounts for my different tones used). the delay is set to give my leads some depth but is rarely used for crazy delay sounds. i also use a phaser on a couple of songs plus of course an overdrive to pucnh up my leads.

if you find yourself using a bunch of diffeent delay times and need more variation in your other fx sound then a M-FX unit is probably a better choice. just make sure you are comfortable doing all the programming needed to accomplish this.
#14
Quote by deepsal
sounding good and sounding good for the price are two completely different things if you know what i mean miss
I know what you mean. I just don't trust your judgement. Me thinks you're just a parrot.
#15
Quote by fly135
I know what you mean. I just don't trust your judgement. Me thinks you're just a parrot.

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#16
I don't really need an OD. IMO my jsx has a realllllllly nice OD tone
I'd be getting the M13 half price as i got a 'few connections' lets say :p
From what you lot have mentioned i guess an MFX is definitely on the cards for me
Anybody recommend anything similar to or better than the M13 ?
#17
The digitech rp1000 is another unit you could look at.
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#18
Quote by JakeLTD
Anybody recommend anything similar to or better than the M13 ?
Not if the M13 is the only one you can get half price. However, the GSP1101 is going for $350 at MF right now. As with any rack unit you will need a midi controller.
#19
I would go with the M13 since you have a JSX, bonus points for half price.
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#20
A few things that have not been said that I like about individual pedals.

You can really customize your sound. This is true both in terms of what individual pedals you use and how you arrange them. With MultiFX you are stuck with the patches that are there, even though you may have a lot of them the possibilities are not infinite like with individual pedals. With individual pedals, if you decide you don't like a particular phaser, you can sell it on ebay and try a different one. With a MultiFX, you are stuck with all or nothing. My 2 cents.
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#21
Quote by ns9977a
A few things that have not been said that I like about individual pedals.

You can really customize your sound. This is true both in terms of what individual pedals you use and how you arrange them. With MultiFX you are stuck with the patches that are there, even though you may have a lot of them the possibilities are not infinite like with individual pedals. With individual pedals, if you decide you don't like a particular phaser, you can sell it on ebay and try a different one. With a MultiFX, you are stuck with all or nothing. My 2 cents.
Derp! Apparently you don't know much about multifx. I think you meant stompbox models not patches. Also, there is nothing that stops you from adding any pedal you want to your multifx. Get a multifx with a loop and you can integrate any pedal you like into the chain.

I have an RP1000 and the following separate pedals are currently in the chain...

DOD FX100
Line 6 M5
EHX Germainum 4
MXR Classic Overdrive
Yamaha Magicstomp
535Q Wah
Ernie Ball Volume
Fish & Chips EQ
Tru Stobe Tuner.
#22
Quote by kutless999
The digitech rp1000 is another unit you could look at.

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#24
Quote by lfcagger
I swear you work for Digitech

I think fly works for zoom.
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#26
As a general rule, I think that a pedal is good at doing a particular thing (and is ideal for a live setting), while a multi-fx unit is good at doing a lot of things, but often in a mediocre way. It's a lot like the difference between a specialist and a jack of all trades.

I've personally almost never heard an overdrive sound I like on a multi-fx unit. But I'm not going to get into a flamewar over it.
#27
Quote by ns9977a
A few things that have not been said that I like about individual pedals.

You can really customize your sound. This is true both in terms of what individual pedals you use and how you arrange them. With MultiFX you are stuck with the patches that are there, even though you may have a lot of them the possibilities are not infinite like with individual pedals. With individual pedals, if you decide you don't like a particular phaser, you can sell it on ebay and try a different one. With a MultiFX, you are stuck with all or nothing. My 2 cents.



Actually with the M13 you can add any pedals you want in the loop and can place any pedals it has anywhere in the chain you want. You decide if that phaser goes before dirt or after a chorus or whatever. I agree there are certain advantages with single stomps but whether or not the advantage is worth the prices of the effects is up to the player. But, there is an advantage with something like the M13 you don't have all the patch cables that could possibly go bad (obviously not something that should happen often Ive never had one fail but it is possible).
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#28
Quote by fly135
I'm a multifx polygamist.

Maybe you work on the computers at the zoom headquarters...
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