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#1
I have boost/distortion pedals and a POD X3 Live, so i can tailor the sound pretty well.

Just wondering which will capture metal better?

sounds i'm looking for are anything from alter bridge to children of bodom (more so the latter)

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Big difference in amps, I have never used either personally, but I have only heard good stuff about the Blackstar products and wouldnt mind playing with one of them myself. Biggest reason I wanna chime in here is to ask if you have used your POD with a tube driven amp before, because when I upgraded from my solid state to tube I stopped using my POD because it sounded very sterile and digital, basically made the tube amp sound like the modeling amp I had just gotten rid of!
#5
i haven't tried either, but just from first principles, the jet city might take boosts better as it's all-tube. The ht-5 sorta almost already has an od pedal built into it.

That being said, plenty of pedals stack together fine, so it might have nothing to do with it.
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Well, I have the Blackstar Ht-20 combo, so just slightly bigger than the HT-5, and I can safely say it does metal well. Decent amount of gain, but nothing further than thrash metal really. I just don't think it has enough without an OD for stuff like Bodom, etc. No experience with the Jet City though.
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#8
Jet City does the Alter Bridge sound well with a boost.
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#9
my money would be on the jet city. its all tube and will have more headroom.

a7x is using jet cities now so that should help you out with it a lot. but the jet city is a super great amp nonetheless. though I'm a fan of blackstars, i would not personally buy the ht-5
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my money would be on the jet city. its all tube and will have more headroom.

a7x is using jet cities now so that should help you out with it a lot. but the jet city is a super great amp nonetheless. though I'm a fan of blackstars, i would not personally buy the ht-5


Thanks for the input everyone!

As an A7X fanboy, I heard about ZV getting a modded 100 watt head. That is all that's been released on that matter, though. He used it on their tour on Uproar festival. I don't believe they use any JC's in the studio, yet, as I've rea that they use their custom bogner uberschalls in the studio.

Again, thanks for the input!
I'll probably be getting a JC soon to replace my VK212.
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Why, Tom?
I'd like for you to explain your opinion, as I trust your judgement.
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Really?

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Well to be fair the JAC is just the nicer amp, I have played both ( I have owned about 3 HT5s for some reason or another ) and as Dave has said, its just the black star distortion pedal going through a power amp, hence it often being labelled as a Hybrid amp.

You say you have some boost pedals, so you can boost the JCA and the video Angus posted shows that it can get quite nasty. Its also got more headroom, so it should have better bass response ( which it does ) and retain your "metal" tone for longer.

The Jet City Stuff isnt all out metal, but neither is the HT5, but when it comes to it, it is the nicer amplifier and can do a lot more than the HT5, even with just one channel.

If you wait a bit longer they are doing a JCA20 combo which has 2 channels and reportedly more gain as well.

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Thanks for the input everyone!

As an A7X fanboy, I heard about ZV getting a modded 100 watt head. That is all that's been released on that matter, though. He used it on their tour on Uproar festival. I don't believe they use any JC's in the studio, yet, as I've rea that they use their custom bogner uberschalls in the studio.

Again, thanks for the input!
I'll probably be getting a JC soon to replace my VK212.

According to jet city, his amp was completely stock, including the tubes. He at least used it like this at first, no telling now.
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I knew that JC could get to metal, but idk the 20 could get Br000tz (and I'm the world's biggest JC fanboy

Yeah, go with the Jet City.

It can do it with a boost in front of it. Its not like perfect for it by any means but it does it. 80s on its own, brutal metal with boost.
Its better then the ht5 at it anyway.
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The new 2 channel combo has the same lead channel as the 50/100 right? You could do it with the current 1 channel, but I'd be a little more confident recommending the 2 channel.

On my 50 without a boost and these settings -
Bass - 3
Mids - 5
Treble - 3-4
Presence - 3
Gain - 10 (ya, all the way up)

Nice thick saturated sound and can be really brutal. I really need to through my OD808 in front of that some day...
#19
I'm definitely GAS'ing for the JCA20H now, seeing them go for under $250 on ebay all day.

Thanks for the information guys!

Also, special thanks to Tom1.0, for giving an in depth and really spot-on answer!
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My JCA20H could do metal without a boost, through the right cab.
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#21
I really like my JCA20h. It can get to metal with a boost (but higher outb=put pups will help with that) and it can do the classic-hard rock thing well without one. It's cleans aren't the best, but they're there and at 20 watts it's easy to push into poweramp distortion too.


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My JCA20H could do metal without a boost, through the right cab.


What cab?

Seriously, I know about fuck all about cabs
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iirc he was putting it through a custom ported Emperor 112

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#24
Give me about 2 weeks (if you can wait that long) and I can record a JCA20h and a Blackstar Ht1hr (close enough?) through the same cab, same guitar, etc.
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Give me about 2 weeks (if you can wait that long) and I can record a JCA20h and a Blackstar Ht1hr (close enough?) through the same cab, same guitar, etc.

Awesome!
I hopefully won't have to wait that long, but more than likely will have to.
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iirc he was putting it through a custom ported Emperor 112


Yeah I think that's what it was too..

I'm running mine through an open back orange, but just the other day I closed it up. It's much more djentlemanly now.
#29
I'd prefer the EMG's, as they have much the same sound in all guitars, which, in my opinion, would be better for me to guess which i like the sound of better.
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I'd prefer the EMG's, as they have much the same sound in all guitars, which, in my opinion, would be better for me to guess which i like the sound of better.


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#32
More-so than passives, they do, being as they have the same peramp unit in each respective pickup.
also, ,i'll be putting EMG's back in my ec-1000 soon, so that will be a better comparison for me.
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#33
I'm pretty sure I heard the gain on the Blackstars aren't true tube overdrive. They get some digital/solid state help.
#34
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I'm definitely GAS'ing for the JCA20H now, seeing them go for under $250 on ebay all day.

Sometimes you can get awesome deals on the 50 and 100 when they (rarely) pop up, I scored my 100 for $415 shipped with a recent tube swap and it came with an extra baffle. That's quite a bit of an upgrade (especially for metal) for $165

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The new 2 channel combo has the same lead channel as the 50/100 right?

I'm pretty sure it does, but it's an EL84-based amp where it's bigger brothers are 6L6GC. Most people prefer the 6L6's for metal and hard genres in general, although there's nothing wrong with an EL84.


Gain - 10 (ya, all the way up)

My JCA100's knobs go to 9 instead of 10, is your 50 like that too? Also what speaker are you running in your Orange cab? I'm thinking about getting a pair of Wizards for mine
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I'm running mine through an open back orange, but just the other day I closed it up. It's much more djentlemanly now.

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My JCA100's knobs go to 9 instead of 10, is your 50 like that too? Also what speaker are you running in your Orange cab? I'm thinking about getting a pair of Wizards for mine


Well yeah it's 9 I wasn't sure how many people would know the Jet City's only go to 9.

I've got V30s in the Orange. I'm thinking of getting a couple of new speakers to do an X pattern in my Mesa 4x12 but I have no idea what.
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