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#1
So, after getting my first "copyright infringement" letter from my ISP for downloading torrents, I got scared and wound up finding out and downloading Peerblock. So now, 4 months later, I start downloading another torrent and apparently the US NAVY seems to be getting blocked which I assume means they're monitoring me. Normally I wouldn't mind it, but this morning after about 20 minutes of downloading my internet goes down and I start freaking out cause I thought my ISP actually caught me and was actually going to cut off my internet as they said they would in the first letter.

So I turned my computer off and unplugged my router and modem since I had to leave for school and when I came home I plugged everything back up and the internet seems to be working just fine.

My question is, should I be scared or is this all just a coincidental thing where my internet just decided to screw up at that time?
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#5
Where did you learn about all this legal stuff and how come I haven't gotten in trouble for downloading music? I'm in canada, if that changes anything.
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#11
I was expecting all the "You is goin...." jokes but that aside, I know its risky and the best way to avoid it is to not download it at all, but it's something I really want and since it is or should be "blocking", it is safe right?
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I see a lot of these on other sites I visit. Heres a few tips.

1) programs like peer block are useless crap, the IP's they block do NOT belong to the RIAA or the MPAA. The IP's belong to everyday users. Basically these programs are a placebo. in other words they only make you "feel better", when they do nothing.

2) Stop using public torrent sites like Piratebay, they are very closely monitored and you are sure to get nailed to the wall using them. Use invite only sites. You won't be completely safe, but it's much harder to get you when these corporate bullies have to be invited to a site, and who would invite them to our party?

3 The Letter you got is actually only a scare tactic, actually a quasi-legal tactic.Politicians never question because they're either brainwashed into thinking were thieves or they get contributions from these media companies.
Essentially the letter is just bullshit, and nothing more. No one in the US has ever gone to jail for downloading from a torrent site.

4) Your internet going down was coincidental. ISP's must give you a notification if they are turning off your internet.

5)inb4 You gonna die, stop stealing and nicestorybro.
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I was expecting all the "You is goin...." jokes but that aside, I know its risky and the best way to avoid it is to not download it at all, but it's something I really want and since it is or should be "blocking", it is safe right?


no downloading is never really "safe", but if youre gonna do it anyways, who cares?
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I was expecting all the "You is goin...." jokes but that aside, I know its risky and the best way to avoid it is to not download it at all, but it's something I really want and since it is or should be "blocking", it is safe right?

No. If you can see the government trying to keep tabs on you, then they definitely are keeping tabs, and have whatever knowledge they want on your internet usage, regardless of whatever shit program you have on your computer.
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I see a lot of these on other sites I visit. Heres a few tips.

1) programs like peer block are useless crap, the IP's they block do NOT belong to the RIAA or the MPAA. The IP's belong to everyday users. Basically these programs are a placebo. in other words they only make you "feel better", when they do nothing.

2) Stop using public torrent sites like Piratebay, they are very closely monitored and you are sure to get nailed to the wall using them. Use invite only sites. You won't be completely safe, but it's much harder to get you when these corporate bullies have to be invited to a site, and who would invite them to our party?

3 The Letter you got is actually only a scare tactic, actually a quasi-legal tactic.Politicians never question because they're either brainwashed into thinking were thieves or they get contributions from these media companies.
Essentially the letter is just bullshit, and nothing more. No one in the US has ever gone to jail for downloading from a torrent site.

4) Your internet going down was coincidental. ISP's must give you a notification if they are turning off your internet.

5)inb4 You gonna die, stop stealing and nicestorybro.


Ah, thanks for that. Do you have any resources where you got this info or is this something you just remember from the past?
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Ah, thanks for that. Do you have any resources where you got this info or is this something you just remember from the past?

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3 The Letter you got is actually only a scare tactic, actually a quasi-legal tactic.Politicians never question because they're either brainwashed into thinking were thieves or they get contributions from these media companies.
Essentially the letter is just bullshit, and nothing more. No one in the US has ever gone to jail for downloading from a torrent site.

What do you mean 'brainwashed into thinking were thieves'? Torrenting copyright material is stealing...
But I think you are right about not going to jail for downloading. It could happen, and copyright companies want it to happen, but it's like the war on drugs. The authorities aim for the dealers, or drug bosses, not the individual users. In other words, they aim for the seeders/uploaders, not the downloaders
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#20
Point number one, YOU ARE AN IDIOT!

Point number two, you deserve everything that's coming to you, so don't cry about it when you get caught, you know its illegal, yet you did it anyways, I don't want to hear it.

Point number three, you are extremely stupid.
#21
I got 4 letters before and nothing happened except me nearly shitting my pants. I figured since they asked me 4 times, I should just quit. Not much need to download anymore except the occasional warez and maybe some some albums.
#22
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Point number one, YOU ARE AN IDIOT!

Point number two, you deserve everything that's coming to you, so don't cry about it when you get caught, you know its illegal, yet you did it anyways, I don't want to hear it.

Point number three, you are extremely stupid.


qft, thought he would have gotten my hint when i asked if its really worth it..
#23
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What do you mean 'brainwashed into thinking were thieves'? Torrenting copyright material is stealing...

Under copyright law it is not stealing. Downloading isn't even considered a criminal offense unless you profit from it. Thats why those like the RIAA only sue people.
Also in order for something to be considered theft (in the US) someone must actually lose something tangible. A good example is if I stole your guitars. That's theft, but with downloading you're only making copies.
One can argue that losing money is tangible, but who's to say I would have purchased tickets to that movie, or bought that CD in the first place. The whole "theft" argument is very shaky at best.
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But I think you are right about not going to jail for downloading. It could happen, and copyright companies want it to happen, but it's like the war on drugs. The authorities aim for the dealers, or drug bosses, not the individual users. In other words, they aim for the seeders/uploaders, not the downloaders

To date I think the RIAA has won one lawsuit and it was overturned.
Hell they don't even really go for the seeders either, they want the big fish. Those who are REALLY breaking the law. Those are the people who sell pirated material.
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#24
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I see a lot of these on other sites I visit. Heres a few tips.

1) programs like peer block are useless crap, the IP's they block do NOT belong to the RIAA or the MPAA. The IP's belong to everyday users. Basically these programs are a placebo. in other words they only make you "feel better", when they do nothing.

2) Stop using public torrent sites like Piratebay, they are very closely monitored and you are sure to get nailed to the wall using them. Use invite only sites. You won't be completely safe, but it's much harder to get you when these corporate bullies have to be invited to a site, and who would invite them to our party?

3 The Letter you got is actually only a scare tactic, actually a quasi-legal tactic.Politicians never question because they're either brainwashed into thinking were thieves or they get contributions from these media companies.
Essentially the letter is just bullshit, and nothing more. No one in the US has ever gone to jail for downloading from a torrent site.


4) Your internet going down was coincidental. ISP's must give you a notification if they are turning off your internet.

5)inb4 You gonna die, stop stealing and nicestorybro.

If the bold is true, then why bother with the underlined?
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Quote by Alucard817
Under copyright law it is not stealing. Downloading isn't even considered a criminal offense unless you profit from it. Thats why those like the RIAA only sue people.
Also in order for something to be considered theft (in the US) someone must actually lose something tangible. A good example is if I stole your guitars. That's theft, but with downloading you're only making copies.
One can argue that losing money is tangible, but who's to say I would have purchased tickets to that movie, or bought that CD in the first place. The whole "theft" argument is very shaky at best.

Interesting. I'd say the theft argument has more basis then you give it.
Some wikipedia quotes:
The copyright owner is given two sets of rights: an exclusive, positive right to copy and exploit the copyrighted work, or license others to do so, and a negative right to prevent anyone else from doing so without consent, with the possibility of legal remedies if they do.

Copyright holders frequently refer to copyright infringement as "theft". In law copyright infringement does not refer to actual theft, but an instance where a person exercises one of the exclusive rights of the copyright holder without authorization
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Where did you learn about all this legal stuff and how come I haven't gotten in trouble for downloading music? I'm in canada, if that changes anything.


You wont be safe for long. Our government is in the process of passing a bill that allows them to monitor your internet without warrant, and a couple other things that will allow copyrights to be enforced.
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Interesting. I'd say the theft argument has more basis then you give it.

Not true for two reasons.
1) No one can prove that money was lost.
2) Downloading is only a civil case, not criminal. ALL theft is tried as a criminal case.
Quote by mulefish
Some wikipedia quotes:

Your first quote is misleading. The Copyright holder does these things in civil court (lawsuit only after a cease and desist has been issued) not criminal court.

And from your quote.
Copyright holders frequently refer to copyright infringement as "theft". In law copyright infringement does not refer to actual theft, but an instance where a person exercises one of the exclusive rights of the copyright holder without authorization

I'll go straight to the horses mouth
(a) Criminal Infringement. —

(1) In general. — Any person who willfully infringes a copyright shall be punished as provided under section 2319 of title 18, if the infringement was committed —

(A) for purposes of commercial advantage or private financial gain;

(B) by the reproduction or distribution, including by electronic means, during any 180-day period, of 1 or more copies or phonorecords of 1 or more copyrighted works, which have a total retail value of more than $1,000; or

(C) by the distribution of a work being prepared for commercial distribution, by making it available on a computer network accessible to members of the public, if such person knew or should have known that the work was intended for commercial distribution.

In other words downloading is only criminal if you sell it, plan to sell it or have more then a 1,000 dollars worth of material.


However ripping your windows disk to make a back up is perfectly legal.
(a) Making of Additional Copy or Adaptation by Owner of Copy. — Notwithstanding the provisions of section 106, it is not an infringement for the owner of a copy of a computer program to make or authorize the making of another copy or adaptation of that computer program provided:

(1) that such a new copy or adaptation is created as an essential step in the utilization of the computer program in conjunction with a machine and that it is used in no other manner, or

(2) that such new copy or adaptation is for archival purposes only and that all archival copies are destroyed in the event that continued possession of the computer program should cease to be rightful.

One has to ask. Since CD's are nothing more then data then shouldn't they too be subject to back ups as well?
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Ok, cool. themoreyouknow.jpg
Interesting about the $1000 dollar thing

Quote by Alucard817
However ripping your windows disk to make a back up is perfectly legal.

One has to ask. Since CD's are nothing more then data then shouldn't they too be subject to back ups as well?

Although this [to my knowledge] only covers a personal copy for private use does it not? I always thought backing up cd's was legal but distributing them was illegal
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Ok, cool. themoreyouknow.jpg
Interesting about the $1000 dollar thing


Although this [to my knowledge] only covers a personal copy for private use does it not? I always thought backing up cd's was legal but distributing them was illegal

Ya it only covers a single backup, however there are ways around that, loophole if you want to call it that. Make a backup of your backup. Selling or distribution of any backups are considered copyright infringement and can be considered a criminal offense if you make a profit from them.

Music CD's are not considered computer data (even though they are) CD's are referred to as sound recordings, which is a different part of the copyright law. The legality of backing up music CD's is hugely debated, and of course the RIAA fatcats will tell you it's wrong, however I'm sure there are loopholes in the law.
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I am curious though, what is an invite-only site? How do you even get invited into the site?
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I am curious though, what is an invite-only site? How do you even get invited into the site?


It pays to know the right people. I'm a member of What.CD, Waffles.fm and IPTorrents.com, all of which I got from asking around. It's worth it in the end. I don't use them a hell of a lot, but they're treasure troves for rarer music.
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This. If you really want it, than buy it.
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I am curious though, what is an invite-only site? How do you even get invited into the site?

An invite only site is, just that. Invite only. You must be invited by a member of said site.
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It pays to know the right people. I'm a member of What.CD, Waffles.fm and IPTorrents.com, all of which I got from asking around. It's worth it in the end. I don't use them a hell of a lot, but they're treasure troves for rarer music.


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