#1
My friend wants to sell me his $800 jackson dinky for like 400 because he is shipping out in july and wants some cash, and he was primarily a metalcore/deathmetal guitarist and i sometimes like to play heavy stuff but i also like to play some soft indie rock or pop punk every now and then so will this guitar be suitable to play well with all genres? it has emg 81's nomnomnom. but anyway my concern is that it seems to be a balls out metal set up and i wont be able to play other stuff is this true?
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#2
Lies. Run it through the right amp and it'll do anything.
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#3
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Lies. Run it through the right amp and it'll do anything.

I will be playing it through a pretty good combo amp, a Behringer GMX100 75watt with like 100fx
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#4
Quote by Cloudkicker
I will be playing it through a pretty good combo amp, a Behringer GMX100 75watt with like 100fx


... I call your idea of a good amp in to question. But whatever, point is if the amp can get the tones you want then the guitar will be fine.
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#5
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... I call your idea of a good amp in to question. But whatever, point is if the amp can get the tones you want then the guitar will be fine.

im a beginner im not going to go out and pay thousands of dollars for a halfstack head cab that kind of stuff.
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#6
+1 to Zaphod. If you can get your amp sounding how you want, then it'll be grand.

I think the standard Jackson pickup loadout of SD JB and Jazz/'59 makes them far more versaitile than people give them credit for. So many people see the pointy headstock and dismiss it for anything except metal, but my DK2M could easily handle nearly any style.

It's just that I probably couldn't play it well enough to pull it off.

The EMG loadout will be considered a little less versatile and 'metal only', but if I remember right, they were originally designed for jazz players anyway.
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#8
I'm a firm believer in that any guitar will be able to handle any style. I can play metal just fine with my Stratocaster, even though it has singlecoils, and I get a really good clean tone with my Ibanez Xpt700, even if it looks like a cylon mothership and has DiMarzio D-Activators, which are really hot pickups.
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#9
Quote by Cloudkicker
im a beginner im not going to go out and pay thousands of dollars for a halfstack head cab that kind of stuff.


You can get a better amp than you already have for less than $300.
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#11
Guitars that can't work well for most genres are in the minority. If you play well and adjust your settings then mostly any guitar can play mostly any genre without anyone saying anything.
#12
a common misconception is that the guitar is the main variable in the sound produced. in actuality it has more to do with the effects and amp u use.
Blues, classical, metal. Who says you cant love all 3?
#13
Quote by Cloudkicker
I will be playing it through a pretty good combo amp, a Behringer GMX100 75watt with like 100fx

I played a GMX210 and a Jackson Kelly for a few years. the only thing it could do was metal, and it didn't do it that well (because of the amp.)

Then I bought a Blackstar (an actual good amp) and it could do anything except for cleans. I blame the pickups. They weren't too hot or anything, and the wouldn't clip, but they were really dull and flat on the clean channel. Any sort of overdriven rock or blues tone or any distorted tone was great though.

As just about everybody here will tell you, most of your tone is in your amp. I normally like to add to that by saying 'you can do basically anything with the right amp, unless you have shit pickups.' Of course, the Jackson didn't have shit pickups, they were just not very suitable for a diverse range of clean tones. Probably good enough for cleans in metal and rock songs, but don't expect to play much blues or jazz with it.
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#14
I have a Jackson and run it through a Fender Hot Rod Deville and a Green Rhino OD and it does a great job of doing cleans, 60's rock, classic rock, into metal. Jacksons will do it all for you with the right pickups and amp.
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#15
I personally would not be bappy playing EMGs for anything but metal. Perhaps a 60 in the neck would be ok, but not an 81 or an 85. I know they were designed for Jazz initially, but EMG cleans just sound less lively to me than a Paf style pickup. Even the IBZ/USA F2 in my Ibanez sounds better for cleans than an EMG 81. I don't even want to think about an 81 in the neck, that's just a bad idea.
#16
^ +1

While I don't hate EMGs, I only really like them for metal (talking about the 81 and 85 here, the single coils are different).

I mean... jackson guitars are more aimed at heavier stuff, but if you put versatile pickups in them they'd be as versatile as any other guitar, kind of thing.
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#17
Honestly, it comes down to one thing. How you play. The amp, guitar, and pickups all have an effect on the tone, but it really just comes down to what YOU play and what your personal style is. Sure, a Jackson loaded with active EMG's will probably give you a better base for metal-style tones, but it only really matters how you play it, and how much distortion you crank through your amp. I've seen people play classical, mellow jazz, and bubblegum pop through BC Rich Warlocks and Jackson Rhoads. On the flipside, I've seen some wicked heavy Death Metal and Thrash played on Telecasters, Strats, and various Danelectro guitars.

TL/DR: Yes, it's easier to get a heavier tone through guitars spec'd for Metal, but by no means does the guitar dictate your playing style. If it's comfortable, and you like it, play it.
#18
dont forget to use your volume nob on the guitar, that will really help in cleaning up the emgs, thats what i do with mine when i play clean
#19
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#20
play much metal on a hollow jazzbox?

I think it's important to have the right style of guitar too.
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#23
Everyone talking about EMGs: All an EMG is (or any active pickup for that matter) is a very low output passive, with a compressor and a high and low pass filter built-in. It's the same as having a low output passive then having a compressor and a high and low pass filter on an EQ first in your chain.

TS: The guitar doesn't really matter as much as you think it does, and the EMGs will do just fine. Definitely get a better amp though. I'd definitely recommend a Roland Cube 40XL or a used Line 6 Flextone.
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#24
just...look at the pickups they use for the most part, its the Jb and 59..... the names obviously not directed towards metal
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#25
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play much metal on a hollow jazzbox?

I think it's important to have the right style of guitar too.


One could, if they were so inclined. Run a hollowbody into a 6505, and you're going to get metal. Run an X shaped guitar into a Fender, and you're going to get blues/jazz. The type of guitar won't ever change that. Those are really extreme examples though.

Again, if one was so inclined. Of course they'd look really weird doing it.
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TS: The guitar doesn't really matter as much as you think it does, and the EMGs will do just fine. Definitely get a better amp though. I'd definitely recommend a Roland Cube 40XL or a used Line 6 Flextone.


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#27
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One could, if they were so inclined. Run a hollowbody into a 6505, and you're going to get metal. Run an X shaped guitar into a Fender, and you're going to get blues/jazz. The type of guitar won't ever change that. Those are really extreme examples though.

Again, if one was so inclined. Of course they'd look really weird doing it.


you'd get a ton of feedback, presumably

I still say the guitar matters.

I mean, I can run in normal shoes, but I can run better in trainers. Similar thing with guitars.
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#28
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you'd get a ton of feedback, presumably

I still say the guitar matters.

I mean, I can run in normal shoes, but I can run better in trainers. Similar thing with guitars.

I agree with this. Some guitars are made with a specific tone in mind, others the tone is just a byproduct of it's construction and components. Either way, the guitar may very well be made for a style of play.

Pickupss, fretboard radius, high fret access, fret size, tone woods, bridge/tremolo functionality, all things that are taken into consideration when playing a particular style. Exceptions exist, but many people use a certain type of guitar for their style.
#29
exactly
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