#1
I know this is a noob question, but its confused me for a while. Are the note placements in a staff for a trumpet (for example) the same as for any other instrument in the same clef (like guitar)?

Example pic from Wiki about Tonality: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tonality

In the picture on the right there are 3 chords in a staff. The notes I see in the first chord, lowest to highest are: C, F, A, is this correct? That is what I was taught in band class, but each instrument has their own key (most often) so it confused me because it seems like that if each instrument is in a different key, shouldnt the notes be different?

tl:dr: Do notes on the staff for the trumpet = the notes on the same staff for guitar?
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#2
The first chord is comprised of C, F, and A, you are correct.
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#3
Most "band" instruments transpose. They read the same note everyone else does - guitarist, keyboards, whatever - but a different note comes out of the instrument.

To use your example, a trumpet player reads a C, does the fingering for C, and the note that comes out is a Bb.

Flute, trombone, tuba, baritone do not transpose.

Clarinet, tenor sax, trumpet - reads C, plays Bb
Also sax - reads C, plays Eb

French horn - reads C, plays F.

Technically, guitar IS a transposing instrument in that it transposes down an octave. Guitarist reads middle C, but plays the C below.

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#4
Okay, yeah that makes more sense. To play a concert Bb scale on trumpet, we actually play a C major/minor scale.

Thanks.
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#5
I dont get that - the trumpeter does the fingering for a C but the note produced is a Bb? Then surely he read a C and did the fingering for Bb?

Sounds like witchcraft.
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I dont get that - the trumpeter does the fingering for a C but the note produced is a Bb? Then surely he read a C and did the fingering for Bb?

Sounds like witchcraft.

Look up transposing instruments.
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#7
Well trumpet is in the key of Bb, but Concert tuning is C. So everything played by trumpet is a half step down from concert tuning.
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Quote by AWACS
Well trumpet is in the key of Bb, but Concert tuning is C. So everything played by trumpet is a half step down from concert tuning.


A step and a half, not just a half step.

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Two half steps, actually.

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That's, uh, what I meant. That'll teach me to not post while tired.
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A step and a half, not just a half step.

Two half steps, actually.

Bb Half Step B Half Step C
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Quote by AWACS
I know this is a noob question, but its confused me for a while. Are the note placements in a staff for a trumpet (for example) the same as for any other instrument in the same clef (like guitar)?
You probably know this already, but music written for the guitar sounds an octave lower than it's written. If that weren't the case, the guitar's range would cover the F & G Clef range, as does the piano. Shifting the notation keeps the guitar on the G Clef only.

In other words, "middle C" is actually on the first line below the G clef staff. A "middle C" notation for guitar, is high C for other instruments.
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Gah, I'm terrible. Whatever. I just played and I made sounds that fit with the band.

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You probably know this already, but music written for the guitar sounds an octave lower than it's written. If that weren't the case, the guitar's range would cover the F & G Clef range, as does the piano. Shifting the notation keeps the guitar on the G Clef only.

In other words, "middle C" is actually on the first line below the G clef staff. A "middle C" notation for guitar, is high C for other instruments.


Interesting. No, I didnt know this, not really. I knw the low E on guitar is a long way on the left side of the piano, but it didnt really click until now.
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#12
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I dont get that - the trumpeter does the fingering for a C but the note produced is a Bb? Then surely he read a C and did the fingering for Bb?

Sounds like witchcraft.

Sure is. If you had a melody on a treble clef stave written in C major, and you wanted the trumpet player to play these notes at concert pitch, you will have to transpose the melody up by a step, so the new key signature will have two sharps.