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#1
Alright, I search bar'd this topic and all the other threads were old and I felt that they don't apply.


I live in Arizona and we have a pretty strong Mormon base here. They've started advertising their religion on TV again.


They've had a crippled guy, an Italian guy, a recovering drug addict, and the average Joe talk about how Mormonism in particular helped them get through their struggles. I can't find those commercials in particular though.

Here's an example:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RetZZpXdWgk


Opinions?


Should any religion be allowed advertise on TV?

Would you take these commercials seriously if you were looking for a new faith?

Are they taking the wrong approach/ misleading the public?


Discuss.
#2
Religion shouldn't be forced upon us: if we wanted to be religious we'd take the initiative and get out there and find the religion perfect for us.
With that in mind, they have no purpose advertising on TV or any other form of media


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#3
It's a free country. The question is, do you want to be a part of a religion that advertises like some type of privately owned business?
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#4
Of course they should be allowed to advertise on TV. I fail to see any legitimate qualms with that. They are a legitimate organization and deserve to be allowed to spend their money to advertise.
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They've had a crippled guy, an Italian guy, a recovering drug addict, and the average Joe


Sounds like a joke setup.


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#6
Personally I don't like when people try to spread their religion. I am content with my religion; if I had any desire to change it, I'd make the effort to choose another religion myself. No need for them to go after people. And making commercials is literally commercializing religion. Seems like the wrong way to go, to me.

EDIT: And as other posts said, I don't think it should be prohibited, but I don't agree with it.
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It's a free country. The question is, do you want to be a part of a religion that advertises like some type of privately owned business?

This. It's annoying, but it's the first amendment. Free religion and speech.
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#8
Technically speaking I think the Mormons count as a cult rather than a church. But either way that would be annoying. And my family already goes to a church. I'm pretty impatient with advertising in general though.
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This. It's annoying, but it's the first amendment. Free religion and speech.



That's really a gross misrepresentation of the First Amendment. Broadcasting corporations are completely allowed to deny organizations the ability to show commercials. All the First Amendment says is that the Government can't ship you away for speaking out.

The first Amendment has nothing to do with private business.
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#10
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A group of Mormons walk into a bar - a cripple, a drug addict, an Italian, and a white guy. Then they remember Mormons don't drink so they leave.

That actually made me laugh.
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Religion shouldn't be forced upon us: if we wanted to be religious we'd take the initiative and get out there and find the religion perfect for us.
With that in mind, they have no purpose advertising on TV or any other form of media


Exactly. +1
#12
First Amendment:

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof;"


Nothing about advertising your religion on TV in there.
#13
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First Amendment:

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof;"


Nothing about advertising your religion on TV in there.


Right...but if you say you CAN'T have a commercial....

The government is supposed to be neutral. Get over it.
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First Amendment:

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof;"


Nothing about advertising your religion on TV in there.



I don't quite understand which side of the argument you're on. See that first part, the "Congress shall make no law" part? Yeah, Congress != private business. Any broadcasting company is allowed to say "Oh hi Church of Mormon, we don't really want to show your commercials on our station. Thanks anyway". They wouldn't do that, though, because they are turning down large chunks of money and alienating a sizable group of people.
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That's really a gross misrepresentation of the First Amendment. Broadcasting corporations are completely allowed to deny organizations the ability to show commercials. All the First Amendment says is that the Government can't ship you away for speaking out.

The first Amendment has nothing to do with private business.

Hm, touche. I still see no issue. It's not like anyone is forced to join, they are probably as effective as any other advertisement (I no very few people who buy into things they see on TV).

Technically speaking I think the Mormons count as a cult rather than a church.

Technically speaking, you don't know the difference between the two.
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#16
Who the fuck would honestly care about this?

Some people are waaaaay to sensitive.
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#17
Actually I do. A church believes and teaches what's actually in the Bible, cults twist what's in it, edit/create their own or add other books. Hence the book of mormon. If I remember correctly they believe that they will become gods when they die and rule their own planets which isn't exactly Christian. Either way though I'm glad I'm not living in a place that broadcasts ads like that.
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Actually I do. A church believes and teaches what's actually in the Bible, cults twist what's in it, edit/create their own or add other books. Hence the book of mormon. If I remember correctly they believe that they will become gods when they die and rule their own planets which isn't exactly Christian. Either way though I'm glad I'm not living in a place that broadcasts ads like that.



Today I learned 2 things about you.

1) You have no idea what a cult is (despite your claims to the contrary).

2) You have no idea what Mormonism is.
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Actually I do. A church believes and teaches what's actually in the Bible, cults twist what's in it, edit/create their own or add other books. Hence the book of mormon. If I remember correctly they believe that they will become gods when they die and rule their own planets which isn't exactly Christian. Either way though I'm glad I'm not living in a place that broadcasts ads like that.

You further proved you don't know the difference. Mormon are just as legitimate of a religion as any other form of Christianity. Can I get SlackerBabbath up in this bitch?
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#20
Who cares? When you have to pay millions of dollars in an advertising campaign to prove how 'normal' you are, I think that speaks for itself anyway.
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It's a free country. The question is, do you want to be a part of a religion that advertises like some type of privately owned business?

It is a business. And business is good.
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#22
It's been a few years since I studied it but I'm pretty sure that's how my school defined a cult. *Shrugs* And I did say If I remember correctly on the other point. Perhaps I'm confusing it with another group.
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Who cares? When you have to pay millions of dollars in an advertising campaign to prove how 'normal' you are, I think that speaks for itself anyway.



When you're pegged as being "Polygamist, caffeine/gambling/alcohol/cigarette-free, weirdos that only hang out in Utah", I really can't fault them for a public relations campaign like this.
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It's been a few years since I studied it but I'm pretty sure that's how my school defined a cult. *Shrugs* And I did say If I remember correctly on the other point. Perhaps I'm confusing it with another group.

Cults do deviate from other religious groups, but not all cults are like that. Your school gave you a very narrow definition. It's to the point that anthropologists won't even use the term anymore, because these days it has such a negative connotation because people only associate religions they perceive as "strange" to be cults.
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When you're pegged as being "Polygamist, caffeine/gambling/alcohol/cigarette-free, weirdos that only hang out in Utah", I really can't fault them for a public relations campaign like this.



Not an unfair assessment.
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It's been a few years since I studied it but I'm pretty sure that's how my school defined a cult. *Shrugs* And I did say If I remember correctly on the other point. Perhaps I'm confusing it with another group.



Because it definitely makes sense to present arguments with no factual evidence at all, as long as you include the caveat "If I remember correctly".


If I remember correctly, CAPendragon consistently wets the bed well into his teenage years.
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Not an unfair assessment.



No, not at all. But that's all that the vast majority of people know about them. This ad campaign seems to be making an attempt to say "listen, these people are pretty normal, plus they're Mormon".
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#28
Of course religious advertisments should be allowed. If you don't like it, change the channel. I'd rather see an advertisment for this then the crapload of political ads that are soon going to be airing all the time.
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Because it definitely makes sense to present arguments with no factual evidence at all, as long as you include the caveat "If I remember correctly".


If I remember correctly, CAPendragon consistently wets the bed well into his teenage years.

Shit man. You can't even copy his name correctly. Like I'm gonna rely on your memory.
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Shit man. You can't even copy his name correctly. Like I'm gonna rely on your memory.



Oh god. My credibility! It's ruined!
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#31
How mature of you. I never said I was an expert. I must havemissed the part where this became a site for serious debates. And if we're going to nitpick - you got both my name and my gender wrong.
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#32
I've seen those commercials. They annoy the shit out of me, but I don't think they should be prohibited from television.
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How mature of you. I never said I was an expert. I must havemissed the part where this became a site for serious debates. And if we're going to nitpick - you got both my name and my gender wrong.



I wasn't trying to nitpick, It'd just be nice to see evidence and research done while discussing a topic in any setting. I guess spreading misinformation is kind of a pet peeve of mine.
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A sad day indeed.
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#35
yeah they should be allowed to advertise why not? its a free country, and if you disagree with them at least its good for a laugh. I mean what not funny about a religion that believes they will get their own planet when they die and walk around wearing magical underwear?
#36
...Well my teachers never mentioned magical underwear.
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...Well my teachers never mentioned magical underwear.


google it. "morman magical underwear".

EDIT: the politically correct term is "Temple Garment" LMFAO!
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...Well my teachers never mentioned magical underwear.

Catholics believe their communion wafers and fruit punch/wine turn into the blood and body of Christ. Most Christians believe in the power of prayer. Mormon underwear isn't any more or less strange. I'm not saying I don't find Mormon slightly strange personally, but nor do I find their beliefs to be inferior.
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#39
I just did. Wow. It's on their own site too. Though they don't actually call them magic. They're kind of contradicting themselves on there too. But not on the underwear bit, just to clarify.

edit-
I'm not saying anything is inferior. Though I think the wine and wafer is meant to be a representation, isn't it?
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#40
Personally, I believe you should keep your religion in the home and in your place of worship. Keep it off my television and billboards. Makes me sick to see this stuff in public.
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