#1
Hey guys. I've recently joined a band playing bass and i've been looking to upgrade. Saw this and it looked really cool

http://www.musiciansfriend.com/guitars/schecter-guitar-research-hellcat-vi-electric-guitar/520006000064000

it says it is tuned an octave below a standard guitar, so is it tuned like a regular bass? What kind of results would i get if i ran it through a bass amp? I know the scale length will have an effect on it, but i just prefer playing guitar so this seemed like an interesting option. Anyone have any experience with these? Or would it even work at all? Any help is greatly appreciated
#2
It will sound like a bass with a looser and less pronounced low end. Listen to The Cure to get an idea, they’ve used a Fender Bass VI (which the Hellcat VI is based on) all over the place.
#4
Quote by chadreed32
You do realize you can tune any guitar down an octave, right?

Yes, but at regular scale length the strings would be pretty sloppy and probably buzz way too much.

I personally would not mess with that guitar. It will be much harder to stretch and never sound like a normal guitar. You should read the reviews.
#6
Quote by W4RP1G
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=01JC7y_NvWo
Awful tone. Sounds like a mess


That's not really how it sounds. That's through a Deluxe Reverb and DI. This is what a Bass VI sounds like through a guitar amp.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rYQSnHorKZM

There aren't many good examples of what it's like as a bass. Most people who use it try to sound like The Cure. The ones who use it as a bass don't record good demos. But they say it works well. The only difference it has between other short-scale basses is the string spacing and pickups. People on other forums speak highly of them. If you're interested in the Hellcat VI, check out these too.
http://www.schecterguitars.com/Products/Guitar/Ultra-VI.aspx
http://www.schecterguitars.com/Products/Guitar/Hellraiser-C-VI-BCH.aspx
#7
Can someone tell me, is it designed to replace bass and guitar? How is it usually used?
#8
to clarify, i've been playing bass for 4 years and guitar for around 6. Scale length isnt an issue as far as strecthes and things go. Im wondering if it could be used as a bass through a bass amp. There have been a few helpful replies and i appreciate those. I saw a video of Phil X demoing the Fender VI and it seemed cool which is why i asked, assuming they are built to do the same thing. Anyone know of any other brands that make a similar product? I know Agile had them for awhile but i'm not sure if they are still available

EDIT: I'm actually really liking the Ultra VI. I mainly posted this because i wanted to make sure it was tuned the same as a bass, and seeing that it is, i think i'm going to pick up one of these. Probably the Ultra VI, but maybe the Hellraiser VI if this band starts getting gigs and i can actually afford one lol
Last edited by shecter guy at Oct 15, 2011,
#9
Quote by W4RP1G
Can someone tell me, is it designed to replace bass and guitar? How is it usually used?


A bass VI is built like a guitar and not a six string bass. So they are usually used when a guitar player gets stuck playing bass because the bassist is doing something else. George Harrison used to play one when Paul McCartney was playing piano. IIRC the guys in The Cure started doing it in the studio when the bassist left the band and just kept using it. And some country players use them for tic-tac-bass or just downtuning the shit out of their fingerpicking.
#10
Well, seeing how it is tuned one octave down like a standard bass, i plan on using it to play bass but also compliment the guitarist since our old lead player is now the vocalist. Plus, you don't see them pop up in metal very often haha. I plan on using a clean signal, maybe some kind of distortion for the higher strings but i doubt it. I also found this

http://www.rondomusic.com/argustoaskbk.html

anyone have any experience?
#11
Quote by shecter guy
Well, seeing how it is tuned one octave down like a standard bass, i plan on using it to play bass but also compliment the guitarist since our old lead player is now the vocalist. Plus, you don't see them pop up in metal very often haha. I plan on using a clean signal, maybe some kind of distortion for the higher strings but i doubt it.


**** that! Do like Peter Steele, play rhythm guitar on a bass that’s distorted to all hell.
#12
Quote by W4RP1G
Yes, but at regular scale length the strings would be pretty sloppy and probably buzz way too much.

I personally would not mess with that guitar. It will be much harder to stretch and never sound like a normal guitar. You should read the reviews.


Other baritone guitars are available.
Where's Waldo?
#13
Quote by jpnyc
A bass VI is built like a guitar and not a six string bass. So they are usually used when a guitar player gets stuck playing bass because the bassist is doing something else. George Harrison used to play one when Paul McCartney was playing piano. IIRC the guys in The Cure started doing it in the studio when the bassist left the band and just kept using it. And some country players use them for tic-tac-bass or just downtuning the shit out of their fingerpicking.

Thank you for clearing that up. It seems like it would be handy for a 2 man band type of thing, though probably still not ideal.
#14
yeah, that's kinda why i want to get it. We had two guitarists but the singer started doing vocals and he can't play and sing so i want to fill in that extra space that seems like it's missing now.
#15
You can play it however you want. It's not really a guitar or a bass. It's something in the middle. It's not for guitarists stuck playing bass. It's up to the player on how they use it. It can be used in many ways. You have to remember that it depends on what you plug it into like any other gear. You have to keep in mind that they were never common instruments. They're extremely expensive and hard to come by. The cheaper variants are relatively new. No one big except The Cure really uses them extensively.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fender_Bass_VI#Players
Last edited by JELIFISH19 at Oct 17, 2011,
#16
yeah, i'm not looking to get something really expensive. I've found a few Schecters that look nice (Ultra VI and C VI Hellraiser) and an Agile. I can get a Schecter or the Agile for around $450 which isn't a problem. But do i have to use special strings to accomadate the 30'' neck?
#17
Quote by shecter guy
But do i have to use special strings to accomadate the 30'' neck?


Yes. Shecter sells sets for the Hellcat, and you can also buy Bass VI sets from other makers. They run from $11.50 to $60+ depending on what brand you get.
#18
I heard a lot of Bass VI strings don't fit the Hellcat VI. But a lot of players use the LaBella strings. They have a special set for the Hellcat VI. They come in roundwounds and flatwounds.