#1
I'm starting to hate listening to many prog bands lately, mostly of the 70's variety. They all sound the same to me. Progressive means changing, improving, and creativity, doesn't it? Then why do they all do the same shit?

You have the King Crimson/Gentle Giant type of stuff
http://youtu.be/48YNdJpsIBg
http://youtu.be/nydwkewQGiM
http://youtu.be/EDEETNno9xk

And then you've got the Dream Theater-y stuff with the same problem
http://youtu.be/gg1MoJVnYK8
http://youtu.be/Ey_8BHipdSc
http://youtu.be/YW3UG1zbsFY

I'm not saying none of it is good in its own right, but god damn is it tiring. I only listed a few examples of each, but there are SO MANY more just like them. Maybe I'm turning into Stan Marsh, I dunno. Tell me what you think.
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#2
try looking for things labeled 'avant-garde' instead
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#3
If you think listening to a few short examples of certain bands is enough to form a solid opinion, more power to you. As it is, nothing you posted really sounds all that much like King Crimson. Then again, having listened to them, I know the difference. There's plenty of progression from an album like 'In The Court of the Crimson King' to 'Red'.

I actually agree completely about Dream Theater type 'prog metal', but that's still far removed from 70s progressive rock.
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#4
Progressive as a genre doesn't really mean what it meant 40 years ago. Bands that do rhythmic tricks and long songs are almost without an exception called progressive. It's the sound that's called progressive. Perhaps "technical" would be a better term for most of today's "progressive" bands.

You just have to find real progressive bands. The genre name is really misleading and given for bands that in fact don't really make any progress.

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#6
Progressive is just a name for a certain bunch of bands. It doesn't have to mean constantly changing.
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#7
When I think of progressive, I think of music that is so out there, it just can't be labeled with any particular genre. I admit, there are a LOT of unknown prog metal bands that sound like a bad DT rip off, but they are still very talented. It's really all about finding the ones that you like. I really wish prog was more popular these days. It's really depressing to know that most people just aren't interested in this kind of stuff anymore. Progressive Rock and Art Rock go hand in hand. Every prog band is made of artists trying to work together to make a masterpiece that will stand the test of time.
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When I think of progressive, I think of music that is so out there, it just can't be labeled with any particular genre. I admit, there are a LOT of unknown prog metal bands that sound like a bad DT rip off, but they are still very talented. It's really all about finding the ones that you like. I really wish prog was more popular these days. It's really depressing to know that most people just aren't interested in this kind of stuff anymore. Progressive Rock and Art Rock go hand in hand. Every prog band is made of artists trying to work together to make a masterpiece that will stand the test of time.


Very good post.

Its merely the way I look at things but I tend to separate Progressive Rock/Metal into 3 main categories. Prog, Fusion and Avant Garde (aka Art Rock).

I view fusion as being on the jazz side of things. Prog as being highly tech and Avant Garde as being conceptual without necessarily being tech. I prefer the fusion and prog side of things, as I find that sometimes Avant Garde or art rock is just a wall of noise and effects passed off as technical work and it completely bores me.

This is just my way of separating things so I'm not trying to hold myself up as some kind of expert.
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#9
Oh dear, OP. I hate to sound like a condescending prick (not that that's ever stopped me), but there are definitely a few points that need addressing here.

Firstly, if you think all 70s Prog sounds the same, then you're simply not listening hard enough. You list King Crimson as having a consisten 'sound', yet KC arguably changed their sound from album to album more than any other band of the era. Listen to 'In The Court Of The Crimson King' 'Red' and 'Discipline', and tell me they sound in any way the same. It's the same with the majority of the famous prog-bands from the 60s and 70s. Jethro Tull started out as jazzy-blues, moved to full blown prog, then decided to become a folk band. Rush went from Led Zeppelin knock-offs to classic-prog behemoths, then on to new-wavey synth rockers. Genesis went from doing whatever the **** they felt like to becoming a pop power trio. The Floyd started out as psychedelic Beatles clones, moved into avant-garde rock, then became the world's most succesful purveyors of atmospheric prog-rock. King Crimson went from prog to prog-metal to avant-garde back to metal then to new-wave/prog/metal.

The whole idea with 'prog' was in the title. The idea was to 'progress' rock music into new exciting territory, and to give it the artistic legitimacy of jazz and classical music. That's why they started bringing in mellotrons and odd time signatures in the first place.

As it stands now, there is a lot of derivitive 'prog' out there, true. But there are a lot of bands who are still doing interesting, creative things in the genre, and who are 'progressing' rock music in their own way. Porcupine Tree have managed to take the ambience of the Floyd, and mix it with both death-metal riffs and poppy-hooks. Tool and Meshuggah are both doing some of the craziest, yet grooviest, stuff with rhythms and time signatures of any bands, ever. Opeth are constantly redefining what can be done with death metal, to the point that they are just as much a jazz folk prog outfit as they are a metal outfit.

The majority of anything is shit. You can't just listen to the first few prog tracks you find and then use that to base your opinion on the entire genre. You have to search and find the good stuff, both from the good old days and today.

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