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#1
I just applied a University music course in Newcastle (the Australian, not the original) and I have to audition with 3 pieces of contrasting styles. I'm thinking of doing;

Rock; Cliffs of Cover - Eric Johnson http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=55nAwmVLQSk
Folk; Si Bheag Si Mhor - Celtic traditional piece http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hK0TN-psnJE
Classical; Melancolie - Napoleon Coste http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=naZLtLpGLpw

(I wont be playing Si Bheag Si Mhor or Melancolie the way they play them. I do it better. I wont be playing Cliffs of Dover the way Eric Plays it. I do it a lot worse.)

What do you think? Impressive enough to get me into uni? Do the two acoustic ones show enough contrast?

If you have any suggestions, bear in mind that I'll likely have less than a month to perfect it and that I'm not very good. I picked these 3 songs because I could play them (Cliffs of Dover only partially) before I stopped religiously practising and started being shit.
#2
I'm not familiar with the last two pieces. Or the university, so my word is probably shite on the subject. But have you heard of Asturias? That's a pretty fantastic audition piece.

The folk one is sweet I would say definitely play that. I also really like the classical piece. But again I don't know the university or their standards.
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Also, I would say that if you really like those, and they inspire you and you really dig them then just do them.
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#4
I played Punish My Heaven, by Dark Tranquility (very poorly), Everlost pt.II by In Flames, and Old Devil Moon by E.Y. Harburg and I got in here in the US. Yours sounds fine, although I'm not familiar with that Celtic song.
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#5
I definitely can't learn Asturias or anything by Albéniz in less than a month. That would be a pretty good ticket in though, I think.I'd like to learn Sevilla before I die.
#6
just get them perfect

we can all tell if someone is a great player, even if they are playing an easy song.
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#7
Don't do Asturias, everyone does Asturias. Its probably the most overplayed classical guitar piece on the planet.

Both the acoustic pieces are great, but do they allow you to audition with electric guitar? I'm going to audition for my University's music program in December, and they don't allow electric auditions, so I have to do classical pieces.

I'm going to be doing this one, but I play it faster than the Broderick Version, yet slower than this one because this one is insane.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wIsumDxGctE&feature=related

Might also do this one if I can get it, but the right hand technique at that speed is crazy. Its at 140BPM, and I can only get to 110BPM ATM.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JQLAzoxc788

And possibly this one if I can find music for it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gMcsIrYHyEk
#8
Yeah, they'll allow me to audition with electric. It's not a classical music course or anything. I'm fairly sure it covers as many aspects of music as they can fit into the course. I'm sure they probably get more electric guitarists through than any other instrumentalists. I'm hoping if I show I can play proficiently on acoustic and electric I'll have a better chance.

Good luck with your pieces. I don't think I could play them yet. Maybe 2 years ago before I got slack and stopped practising.
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#10
if it's a general music course, you really should probably play a Jazz piece/Standard to show off interpretation and most importantly, Improvisation. I realize you probably will improv over Cliffs of Dover or w/e, but university criteria I have read often want to see the way you are able to play over changing harmonies and chord progressions.
#11
Hey mate, I go to Newcastle Uni and I took an elective in guitar way back in first year.

You stand absolutely no chance at rejection if you play those songs.

All of the guitar tutors are really nice guys. One is a bit of a dick, but still a nice guy. You'll know what I mean when you meet him. You'll like it a lot here, and I'm close with two other guys from UG who attend. None of us are taking a B. Music, but we'd be glad to show you around the campus, or to provide any other help you might need.
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Hey mate, I go to Newcastle Uni and I took an elective in guitar way back in first year.

You stand absolutely no chance at rejection if you play those songs.

All of the guitar tutors are really nice guys. One is a bit of a dick, but still a nice guy. You'll know what I mean when you meet him. You'll like it a lot here, and I'm close with two other guys from UG who attend. None of us are taking a B. Music, but we'd be glad to show you around the campus, or to provide any other help you might need.

Thanks man. What year did you audition? Was the audition at the conservatorium? Are you sure I'll get the same examiners? If you aren't doing a B. Music what are you doing?

I've got a few friends in Newcastle, and even at the uni, but it can't hurt to make a few more.

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It's not really a classical song though, is it?


By the way, if you're suggesting songs you don't have to suggest them in any of the styles I mentioned.
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#15
It's hard to get rejected from Newcastle uni, you shouldn't have a problem getting in.
EDIT: You may want to choose some more difficult pieces though, the Coste piece you listed is only grade 4 in the AMEB guitar books.
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Thanks man. What year did you audition? Was the audition at the conservatorium? Are you sure I'll get the same examiners? If you aren't doing a B. Music what are you doing?

I've got a few friends in Newcastle, and even at the uni, but it can't hurt to make a few more.

I'm in the sciences. I never had to audition because it was never part of my degree, but I started up in 2008.

I have no idea who you'll get for your examiners, but I know the general quality of performance of the faculty, and there's no great shortage of B. Music spaces. Assuming you don't bomb out in the HSC, you should be pretty much fine, since your songs are definitely grade 6+ performance pieces.
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#17
Melancolie is actually a grade 4 AMEB piece. I got my certificate in 2009 by performing it, among other things. I also completed my HSC in 2009 with an 84 in Music 1 and no shortage of school merit certificates for my performances and assessments, which will all be going in the CV I take along to the audition.

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It's hard to get rejected from Newcastle uni, you shouldn't have a problem getting in.

That's definitely good news, because I only want to do music, and I don't want to do it in Lismore or Armidale or Queensland or Sydney* so my preferences on my application read; 1. B. Music Newcastle. 2. B. Music/B. Arts Newcastle.


*Mainly I didn't even think I'd have a chance in Sydney (not only concerning the audition, just life in general.)
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That's definitely good news, because I only want to do music, and I don't want to do it in Lismore or Armidale or Queensland or Sydney* so my preferences on my application read; 1. B. Music Newcastle. 2. B. Music/B. Arts Newcastle.


*Mainly I didn't even think I'd have a chance in Sydney (not only concerning the audition, just life in general.)



You could probably pass the Sydney audition. I'll PM you some details.
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#21
Those pieces certainly have more than enough contrast in their styles, and it's perfectly good audition repertoire in my opinion. I'd say you're fine there. Just make sure you get them to be top quality before you go in there! Be able to play them well on your worst day (because your audition date most likely will be one of them due to nerves; I've been a performer for years and auditions still get me worked up), and you'll be just fine.
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#22
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Mainly I didn't even think I'd have a chance in Sydney (not only concerning the audition, just life in general.


Thought about WAAPA ?

It's one of if not the best performing arts school in Australia and Perth is chill as fuck. I've got a friend who's going there (he moved from melbourne to go there) and he loves it.
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#24
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Hadn't really considered anything outside NSW...


Well with distinguished alumni like Hugh Jackman to it's name it think you should make an exception!
#25
That's a beautiful version of Si Beag Si Mor! Especially contrasted against a 'straight' classical piece like the other one you've got there. I'm pretty sure most of the Australian courses are fairly keen on ethnomusicology type stuff, even in the standard/general coursess, so a little bit of classy folk should go down a treat. Heck, even Armidale has a gamelan orchestra these days. Good luck!
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#27
Well it's a Bachelors in Music. The specific one I'm looking at offers majors in performance, production and composition. I'd like to do a double major in Performance and compositions, but, in my understanding (I'm probably wrong) I have to pick either performance or compo first and apply for the other one once I've already been accepted.

If anybody can confirm that or has advice to the contrary please chime in.

I'm glad most of you are impressed with my choices. Now I just have to impress with my playing.

Si Bheag Si mhor is one of the prettiest pieces I've heard I think. I'll easily be able to play it note for note like a midi would, but doing it justice with convincing tone and dynamic changes will be the challenge.

I think I'm going to cut the whole beginning of Cliffs of Dover out, which will make it so much easier, and I'm going to improvise the solo, which I think I can already do a pretty good job of. Still needs more than the two days work I've given it though.

As for Melancolie... here was a time when I could play that really well, but that time is gone. It needs the most work. It's not even a hard song, but I did have some trouble with it the first time I learned it.
#28
I sure hope I dont have to play cliffs of dover in order to get into the music program at my university next semester

I was gonna play Olde to Joy, and Babe im Gonna leave you or something


.....will that suffice?
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I think I'm going to cut the whole beginning of Cliffs of Dover out, which will make it so much easier, and I'm going to improvise the solo, which I think I can already do a pretty good job of. Still needs more than the two days work I've given it though.


dude, even I can play the intro passably, and my cliffs of dover sucks ass
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I sure hope I dont have to play cliffs of dover in order to get into the music program at my university next semester

I was gonna play Olde to Joy, and Babe im Gonna leave you or something


.....will that suffice?


Does anyone know if these two songs will be sufficient to get me into a CSU music program?
#31
^^I can't play it anywhere near passably. Screw remembering all those notes. I could improv, but I don't want to be fiddling away aimlessly, stop playing, play the backing track and continue. That'll look and sound bad

And probably feel bad.
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Does anyone know if these two songs will be sufficient to get me into a CSU music program?

CSU is Armidale, right? I don't think they have auditions there and they go off ATAR results. I can ask a friend if you like, I have 3 who go or previously attended there.
#32
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I have to audition with 3 pieces of contrasting styles.

I'll just point out how jealous I am of you only having to do 3 pieces. I have to do 5, all of which I've never played before. That being said, if you already know them, a month is plenty of time to get them perfect, even with just half an hour to an hour of practice each day, or even every couple days.

If you really want to impress though, arrange the solo violin part for Presto from Vivaldi's L'estate for guitar, and create a backing track from the string quartet.

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Does anyone know if these two songs will be sufficient to get me into a CSU music program?

I don't know about CSU, but here Ode to Joy would quite possibly get you laughed out of an audition, unless you were playing it as an orchestral excerpt along with more of the 4th movement of Beethoven's 9th.

I'd recommend seeing what the audition requirements are for the program you want to enter. Often there might be a set audition list for an instrument, or a required grade level or something.
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I'll just point out how jealous I am of you only having to do 3 pieces. I have to do 5, all of which I've never played before. That being said, if you already know them, a month is plenty of time to get them perfect, even with just half an hour to an hour of practice each day, or even every couple days.

If you really want to impress though, arrange the solo violin part for Presto from Vivaldi's L'estate for guitar, and create a backing track from the string quartet.

That seems pretty strict. Where are you applying? Somewhere in NZ?

Also, I'm planning on doing at least 6 hours a day on 3 pieces. 2 hours per piece should be sufficient.
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That seems pretty strict. Where are you applying? Somewhere in NZ?

Also, I'm planning on doing at least 6 hours a day on 3 pieces. 2 hours per piece should be sufficient.

I'm applying at the NZSM, for a double major in composition specialised in vocal and instrument and classical performance. It is pretty strict though, brass is the only section to require selection from a set list of pieces and also to require 5 pieces, all the other sections only require 3 contrasting pieces.

6 hours a day is a pretty heavy practice load. I only did 30-60 minutes a day, monday-friday, with random days off too, and I managed to get all my pieces proficient enough in 3 weeks. If you reckon it won't burn you out though, 2 hours per piece will have you nailing them. I'd also suggest practising some scales and arpeggios if you'll be required to play some in the audition, which seems to be a pretty standard requirement from what I've seen.
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I'll just point out how jealous I am of you only having to do 3 pieces. I have to do 5, all of which I've never played before. That being said, if you already know them, a month is plenty of time to get them perfect, even with just half an hour to an hour of practice each day, or even every couple days.

If you really want to impress though, arrange the solo violin part for Presto from Vivaldi's L'estate for guitar, and create a backing track from the string quartet.


I don't know about CSU, but here Ode to Joy would quite possibly get you laughed out of an audition, unless you were playing it as an orchestral excerpt along with more of the 4th movement of Beethoven's 9th.

I'd recommend seeing what the audition requirements are for the program you want to enter. Often there might be a set audition list for an instrument, or a required grade level or something.


Funny way to put it, but its not the 1 melody monophonic version simply playing on the B and E string.....Id be sight reading it on classical guitar with both chords and melody.

CSU means California state university .....its a classical guitar program at the school im going to.

Or should I just start finger picking led zeppelin songs to impress them?
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Dude, you should **** with them and play something from Obscura.
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#38
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Funny way to put it, but its not the 1 melody monophonic version simply playing on the B and E string.....Id be sight reading it on classical guitar with both chords and melody.

CSU means California state university .....its a classical guitar program at the school im going to.

Or should I just start finger picking led zeppelin songs to impress them?

I figured you meant properly arranged for classical guitar. If you did just the melody you'd get laughed out of high school music here . As long as you didn't go to my high school anyway, where Ode to Joy was basically the pinnacle of most people's ability.

I honestly can't say anything about what would work for CSU, because your education system is a lot different from ours, and especially here the requirements for admission are quite high, because everyone is expected to perform at a reasonably high level and to be able to play a lot of the repertoire from the start of a degree.

I think the best course of action would be to pick 2 or 3 contrasting pieces, one of which should be at about the highest level you can consistently play at. Ode to Joy could actually work if it was contrasted by a more technical classical piece, and it was a decent arrangement.
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I figured you meant properly arranged for classical guitar. If you did just the melody you'd get laughed out of high school music here . As long as you didn't go to my high school anyway, where Ode to Joy was basically the pinnacle of most people's ability.

I honestly can't say anything about what would work for CSU, because your education system is a lot different from ours, and especially here the requirements for admission are quite high, because everyone is expected to perform at a reasonably high level and to be able to play a lot of the repertoire from the start of a degree.

I think the best course of action would be to pick 2 or 3 contrasting pieces, one of which should be at about the highest level you can consistently play at. Ode to Joy could actually work if it was contrasted by a more technical classical piece, and it was a decent arrangement.



Note reading
Technical skill
Basic fretboard theory: Major/minor chords/scales,
Musicality
At least two contrasting works or excerpts. At least one must show right hand plucking ability.


This is what the guitar teacher at the school said he wanted.

If I walked in there and sight read Ode to joy on a classical guitar, then played

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p_LHFvd85no

or

Babe im gonna leave you

would i be fine? It sounds like the requirements wouldnt be too bad. He said he gets people who have NEVER sight read before (which ive been studying for the last couple years)

And when he says two contrasting works he simply means two songs different from eachother correct?
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Quote by Go0ber

Note reading
Technical skill
Basic fretboard theory: Major/minor chords/scales,
Musicality
At least two contrasting works or excerpts. At least one must show right hand plucking ability.


This is what the guitar teacher at the school said he wanted.

If I walked in there and sight read Ode to joy on a classical guitar, then played

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p_LHFvd85no

or

Babe im gonna leave you

would i be fine? It sounds like the requirements wouldnt be too bad. He said he gets people who have NEVER sight read before (which ive been studying for the last couple years)

And when he says two contrasting works he simply means two songs different from eachother correct?

Hmm, sight reading Ode to Joy should be fine, but I'd think that for the second piece I'd personally contrast it with something like this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=752oEAX_CFE. The sheet music for that can be found here if you're interested (it's number 7, study in A minor): http://imslp.org/wiki/Etudes,_Op.60_%28Carcassi,_Matteo%29.

Contrast is essentially two songs different from each other, yes. One of the simplest contrasts is having one slow and soft piece, and one fast and intense piece.
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