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Authorities in Peru have made contact with an isolated Amazon tribe but are warning people not to approach them after a ranger was shot with an arrow.

The announcement came after reports emerged that tourists were trying to reach the tribes.

Video footage shows the tribe running along the banks of the Amazon, gesturing at passengers in a boat and preparing to use bows and arrows.

According to Carlos Soria, the secretary-general of Peru's National Service of Natural Areas Protected by the State: "There was an incident when one of the members of the indigenous tribe shot an arrow without a tip as a warning shot. This arrow without a tip hit the back of National Park serviceman Jesus Keme who had to receive medical attention. He is in good health."

According to reports, the last isolated tribe to be seen was made up of 20 young individuals including both men and women.

The Peruvian government is said to be working on a law that would protect areas where the tribes live.


http://news.uk.msn.com/world/amazon-tribe-fires-arrow-at-tourists

TL;DR if a bunch of people who chose to be isolated points at you with a bow and arrow, don't go back because you'll get said arrow in your back.

I'm curious, though, do you think we should let the tribes be left alone at all costs? Even if they're going through starvation, sickness, war, etc?

Update:
Peru releases footage of the encounter:

Video here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=VYaqGiCgoWc

NG article here:
http://newswatch.nationalgeographic.com/2011/10/18/peru-releases-new-video-of-uncontacted-indians/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+ng%2FNEWSBlogs%2FNat_Geo_News_Watch+%28News+Watch%29
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The Peruvian government is said to be working on a law that would protect areas where the tribes live.

Sounds good to me.
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#3
If they want to be left alone, leave them.

If they want to make contact, make contact.
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Sounds like Cannibal Holocaust waiting to happen.
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If they want to be left alone, leave them.

If they want to make contact, make contact.

Agree, I do think we need to make it clear that we are always willing to help. But to suddenly interfere in some sort of war is denigrating them, they are also just humans and capable of the same things 'we're' capable of.
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People shouldn't go dicking around where the tribe's live, unless contact with said tribe has been made prior, and they have given permission for that particular person/group etc. to see/visit them.

And yes I think they should be left alone. If they are one of the tribes whom we have contact with, and they ASK us to help, then that's slightly different. But if the havn't asked, or if it's a tribe we do not have an established contact link with, then leave them the hell alone.

Part of the reason they don't like outsiders is because many outsiders treat them like animals in a zoo, and only wish to visit them for their own personal gain in gawping at the poor folk. That and years ago, outsiders would attack them.
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I say definitely leave them alone. They are disappearing quickly and I think we should preserve them as best as we can.


But what is the point in preserving if you're never going to make any contact?

Just let them decide for themselves.
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I can't help but about the book brave new world, how there were still natives in the future.

Tbh I'm neutral on the subject, w/e country owns the land should decide.
If the lands not owned privately or by the government then yeah, should probably leave them alone.
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But seriously, people should leave these guys be.
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We should troll them with robots.
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These guys clearly can't be the least bit fucked with annoying tourists.

And I respect the fact that, unlike us, they're willing to impale a few people to prove it.
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best idea ever .
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Did you see that guys back after he was shot with the arrow WITHOUT the tip? F*ck I'd hate to see what it'd look like if they did have a tip on it ffs
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Tbh I'm neutral on the subject, w/e country owns the land should decide.
If the lands not owned privately or by the government then yeah, should probably leave them alone.


I don't think it's fair to the people that whoever "owns" the land should decide what to do with the tribes.

I mean imagine you're living with a tribe and your ancestors have used the exact same lands for hundreds if not thousands of years, then some jackass invents the whole concept of land owning and suddenly they're saying you're on their land, and you need to follow their rules. It's absurd.
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I don't think it's fair to the people that whoever "owns" the land should decide what to do with the tribes.

I mean imagine you're living with a tribe and your ancestors have used the exact same lands for hundreds if not thousands of years, then some jackass invents the whole concept of land owning and suddenly they're saying you're on their land, and you need to follow their rules. It's absurd.


Manifest Destiny much?
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Manifest Destiny much?

Had to look that up and it's not really the same but some, and that's really stupid too.

It's absurd anyway. You can't just say "oh hai guys, I own this land now so get out" to people who has lived there for hundreds of generations.
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One day the native americans will get all you immigrant americans back...
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#25
still bloody immigrants the whole lot of ya.
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I don't think it's fair to the people that whoever "owns" the land should decide what to do with the tribes.

I mean imagine you're living with a tribe and your ancestors have used the exact same lands for hundreds if not thousands of years, then some jackass invents the whole concept of land owning and suddenly they're saying you're on their land, and you need to follow their rules. It's absurd.

I'm sure they think they own the land, they want us to stay off it.

They probably want it a lot more, I think it's immoral to kill or force them to leave, I'd rather leave them alone.

edit: it'd actually be funny to hear one yell in a hick voice get off property *phoosharrow* and stay out.
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This kind of thing is so interesting.

I don't think we should try making contact though. Either leave them alone entirely or install cameras into the area and troll them with technology and then broadcast it across the world.
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One day the native americans will get all you immigrant americans back...

They'll all be gone by then
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Give it 6-8 months they will kill someone with a real arrow then the military will go in and wipe em out with shotguns duke nukem style.
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This. I have talked to the scientists and they confirm that this is the best course of action.

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I don't think it's fair to the people that whoever "owns" the land should decide what to do with the tribes.

I mean imagine you're living with a tribe and your ancestors have used the exact same lands for hundreds if not thousands of years, then some jackass invents the whole concept of land owning and suddenly they're saying you're on their land, and you need to follow their rules. It's absurd.

Ruling land is absurd anyway, and they should be left alone.
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Someone was injured. This is seriously messed up. If i shot an arrow at someone just coz they weren't leaving me alone, I could face jail. And they get protection! This is retarded.
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Someone was injured. This is seriously messed up. If i shot an arrow at someone just coz they weren't leaving me alone, I could face jail. And they get protection! This is retarded.

Someone is retarded alright.
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http://news.uk.msn.com/world/amazon-tribe-fires-arrow-at-tourists

TL;DR if a bunch of people who chose to be isolated points at you with a bow and arrow, don't go back because you'll get said arrow in your back.

I'm curious, though, do you think we should let the tribes be left alone at all costs? Even if they're going through starvation, sickness, war, etc?

Yes, we should. At some point some "missionaries" will probably try and make their way in and do their usual thing though
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I don't think it's fair to the people that whoever "owns" the land should decide what to do with the tribes.

I mean imagine you're living with a tribe and your ancestors have used the exact same lands for hundreds if not thousands of years, then some jackass invents the whole concept of land owning and suddenly they're saying you're on their land, and you need to follow their rules. It's absurd.


This ^

It's ridiculous. Before someone comes along and either buys the land or conquers the people who inhabit the land and takes it by force, the land, according to most people's sense of justice, rightly belongs to whoever inhabits that land.
There's even kind of a legal precidence for this, in North America land has historicaly been 'bought' from the indigenous people who previously lived there, setting legal precidence for natural legal land ownership by indigenous people. If it is considered that they legaly sold the land, then according to law they must also be considered as the previous legal owners of the land.

Of course, this is South America, so it can be argued that different countries have different laws and what is precidence in one country isn't precidence in another, but still, our natural sense of justice tells us that if this isolated Amazon tribe have never been conquered or sold their land to invading Europeans, then they should still own the land they have lived on for millenia.

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Someone was injured. This is seriously messed up. If i shot an arrow at someone just coz they weren't leaving me alone, I could face jail. And they get protection! This is retarded.


How about if you were shot while invading a different country? No one would argue against invasion being an act of war and the rights of people to defend their land against invasion. If a foreign power invaded your country, wouldn't it be ridiculous for you to be charged with assault or worse for defending it? Wouldn't it be ridiculous if we now started charging the resistance fighters of France from WW2 with assault and putting them in jail for fighting against the invading Germans?

That's actualy nearer to what's really happened here. The natives, rightfully in my opinion, see this land as their territory, their 'nation', and they see those that trespass on that land as invaders, which they see as an act of war and which they have reacted accordingly to.
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How about if you were shot while invading a different country? No one would argue against invasion being an act of war and the rights of people to defend their land against invasion. If a foreign power invaded your country, wouldn't it be ridiculous for you to be charged with assault or worse for defending it? Wouldn't it be ridiculous if we now started charging the resistance fighters of France from WW2 with assault and putting them in jail for fighting against the invading Germans?

That's actualy nearer to what's really happened here. The natives, rightfully in my opinion, see this land as their territory, their 'nation', and they see those that trespass on that land as invaders, which they see as an act of war and which they have reacted accordingly to.


I do not agree with you at all man. I do not think what happened there was right.

Still, you're entitled to your opinion as am I and everyone else.
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I do not agree with you at all man. I do not think what happened there was right.

Still, you're entitled to your opinion as am I and everyone else.


My point was, you can hardly blame someone who believed they were being invaded for meeting that percieved invasion with force.

In law, it would naturaly come under 'demonished responsibilities', you'd never be able to make any legal charge of 'assault' (resulting in jail time) stick.
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If he (the tribesman) killed the ranger, would he be held accountable on murder charges?
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