#1
I use this site to help me ID what scales songs are in.
http://www.all-guitar-chords.com/reverse_scales.php

Start on E(low e) 5th fret A and go... A,B,C,D,E,F,G#,A
This is harmonic minor on A

It says that harmonic minor scale degrees are 1,2,b3,4,5,b6,7

If I apply the flats to ABCDEFG
A,B,Cb,D,E,F,Gb,A obviously I am confused about somthing.

What am I doing wrong? How does 1,2,b3,4,5,b6,7 = A,B,C,D,E,F,G#,A

I humbly thank you for your help, and insight.
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#2
1 A
2 B
b3 C
4 D
5 E
b6 F
7G#

Look up intervals, and see how they relate to the major scale. For example the 1-7 system is based off the major scale. So, if you take A major (A B C# D E F# G#) and apply the b3 and b6 you get a b c d e f g#.
#3
Harmonic minor is just a minor scale with a raised 7th.
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#4
Well the A Major scale is A B C# D E F# G#

Now try

Another way to look at it is the harmonic minor scales is the same as the natural minor scale with a rasied 7th.

A minor is A B C D E F G and if you raise the 7th you get A B C D E F G#

I would reccomend going over your major scales again if you haven't already
#5
You are applying the flats to the A minor scale not the A major scale.

This is the A major scale


A B C# D E F# G#

Now flatten the 3rd and 6th


A B C D E F G#


There you go. The A harmonic minor scale
#6
ok cool so i just convert the notes to the major scale with the WWhWWh then apply the # and b from there. now it makes sense.

thanks everyone.
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Last edited by ThatDarnDavid at Oct 24, 2011,
#7
you flatted the 7 instead of the 6 by accident.

you also used A minor instead of A major. all scale formulas are in relation to major.

if you compared harmonic minor to regular minor, the only difference then is that the 7 is sharp (natural) compared to minor.
#8
Quote by ThatDarnDavid
ok cool so i just convert the notes to the major scale with the WWhWWh then apply the # and b from there. now it makes sense.

thanks everyone.


The major scale interval pattern is WWhWWWh - just making sure that was a typo you did there.
#9
Quote by ThatDarnDavid
I use this site to help me ID what scales songs are in.
http://www.all-guitar-chords.com/reverse_scales.php

Start on E(low e) 5th fret A and go... A,B,C,D,E,F,G#,A
This is harmonic minor on A

It says that harmonic minor scale degrees are 1,2,b3,4,5,b6,7

If I apply the flats to ABCDEFG
A,B,Cb,D,E,F,Gb,A obviously I am confused about somthing.

What am I doing wrong? How does 1,2,b3,4,5,b6,7 = A,B,C,D,E,F,G#,A

I humbly thank you for your help, and insight.


A - B - C - D - E - F - G - A is the A minor scale. To make it a HARMONIC minor scale, all you have to do is change the minor 7th to a major 7th by increasing the 7th degree for a semitone.

A - B - C - D - E - F - G# - A is A Harmonic minor.

You tried to apply the harmonic minor formula on the minor scale. Had you applied to the formula to the major scale, you'd be right.
#10
I find a better way to understand is to just learn the individual interval differences.
Might seem tedious, but I started with:

1 - Root note
b2 - Semitone from root note
2 - tone from root note
b3 - tone and a half from root note
etc

And then, you will become better at recognising the distance between each interval of the scale e.g. a Perfect 4th is always a tone above a flat third, and a tone below a perfect fifth. The main point I'm saying here is that the intervals themselves work from a formula, and the note names just adhere to this formula. So, your mistake (an understandable one) is that you took the seven notes starting from A (a b c d e f g) and then flattened them. With my approach, it'd be a case of A, then (because a natural 2 is always a tone from the root note) B, then (because a flat 3 is always a tone and a half from the root, and a semitone from the second) C, etc.

I hope that helps.
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