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This is older news now but I'm curious to discuss it.
Basically scientists have discovered neutrinos that travel faster than the speed of light. It still has to be independently verified by another particle collider but if it is true, it means Einstein was wrong and his formula will fall apart. It means causality falls to pieces too. They have tested this a number of times so there is little chance that it is experimental error.

We will need a new formula to solve mathematically what is going on.

Thoughts? Discuss.
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Almost as old as Einstein himself.


Pretty sure I said that.

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Can't find the article, but it basically said that the GPS systems the scientists were using were calculated to be off by exactly the amount of milliseconds (or however far off it was) that the neutrinos were said to have beaten lightspeed by.

Edit: Researched it a little bit and saw that the article I was referring to was a single opinion and not peer reviewed. However, CERN and OPERA have both come out saying that they think something is wrong or they messed something up, but they don't know where.
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itt, scientists didn't think about the fact that neutrinos travel through most every object, i.e. the soil inbetween them.


the light had to go around the earth, neutrinos could have gone through it.
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tl;dr, a bunch of useless people, with useless knowledge, making useless findings, that have little bearing on anything in the world today.


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tl;dr, a bunch of useless people, with useless knowledge, making useless findings, that have little bearing on anything in the world today.


what we need to focus on is getting rid of around 2.5 billion people, so that we all don't starve to death.


i vote off africa and muslim immigrants.


You first.
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It wouldn't necessarily mean Einstein was wrong. What if neutrinos simply warp instantly from one place to another, shortening the distance they need to travel? Or what if they are always faster than the speed of light and don't need to accelerate? There's plenty of explanations that would fit alongside relativity.
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Linky

This is older news now but I'm curious to discuss it.
Basically scientists have discovered neutrinos that travel faster than the speed of light. It still has to be independently verified by another particle collider but if it is true, it means Einstein was wrong and his formula will fall apart. It means causality falls to pieces too. They have tested this a number of times so there is little chance that it is experimental error.

We will need a new formula to solve mathematically what is going on.

Thoughts? Discuss.

i dont think things would fall apart as much as you think. his theories have still been demonstrated and are used to make things like GPS work. neutrinos from what i understand have no mass so honestly, it kinda makes sense that they wouldnt follow his theory properly. things are not supposed to go faster than light because the closer they get to that speed they gain mass. but neutrinos have no mass and can pass through the earth without a problem. because of this i would assume they dont apply to this theory and can be an exception.

also, its not stated anywhere that its impossible to "beat" light. you can, if you have a shortcut. perhaps the neutrinos took a "shortcut" that we arent aware of and appeared to go faster than light? honestly i don't know enough about it or about how they even calculated the speed of the neutrinos so thats all i can say. before this i was under the impression no one was sure if neutrinos actually existed. i guess i'm behind,

theres a saying though that says if you think you understand quantum physics, you dont understand quantum physics. i think this might fall under that.
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tl;dr, a bunch of useless people, with useless knowledge, making useless findings, that have little bearing on anything in the world today.


what we need to focus on is getting rid of around 2.5 billion people, so that we all don't starve to death.


i vote off africa and muslim immigrants.


You first. idiot.
It has a massive bearing on the world today.
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You first. idiot.
It has a massive bearing on the world today.

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things are not supposed to go faster than light because the closer they get to that speed they gain mass. but neutrinos have no mass and can pass through the earth without a problem.

also, its not stated anywhere that its impossible to "beat" light. you can, if you have a shortcut. perhaps the neutrinos took a "shortcut" that we arent aware of and appeared to go faster than light?

theres a saying though that says if you think you understand quantum physics, you dont understand quantum physics. i think this might fall under that.


Neutrinos aren't massless. That's why this is profound and even if they were, they shouldn't travel faster than light. At least the same speed.

And what do you mean shortcut? If you mean wormholes, light can take that same shortcut.
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I got excited, because I thought this thread was about the other lab that was supposed to reproduce the results...but then I realized that this is

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Scientists knew about this before Einstein even finalized his theory.

(time travel jokes lol)

Also, when this first came to the public, I did a little math, and I think that I found that the neutrino was about 17 meters farther along the collider than it should have been. Considering the size of a neutrino, that is really significant.
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You first.

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tl;dr, a bunch of useless people, with useless knowledge, making useless findings, that have little bearing on anything in the world today.
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Possible explanation: Relativistic effects. Haw
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Scientists knew about this before Einstein even finalized his theory.

(time travel jokes lol)

Also, when this first came to the public, I did a little math, and I think that I found that the neutrino was about 17 meters farther along the collider than it should have been. Considering the size of a neutrino, that is really significant.

The timing is still on the order of billionths of seconds. That's where the error might be coming in.

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tl;dr, a bunch of useless people, with useless knowledge, making useless findings, that have little bearing on anything in the world today.


what we need to focus on is getting rid of around 2.5 billion people, so that we all don't starve to death.


i vote off africa and muslim immigrants.

Are you starving, you fat prick? Get off my planet.
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Possible explanation: Relativistic effects. Haw

The timing is still on the order of billionths of seconds. That's where the error might be coming in.


Yeah, they said they repeated it a number of times over a few months to make sure it wasn't experimental error however.
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Possible explanation: Relativistic effects. Haw

The timing is still on the order of billionths of seconds. That's where the error might be coming in.

Still, they did something like 15,000 tests. That's a lot of chances to find an error.

Though that article is interesting, and not something I've heard yet.
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Still, they did something like 15,000 tests. That's a lot of chances to find an error.

I don't know specifically because I'm not an expert (haven't watched the replays), but I do know that in general it's really, really hard to detect neutrinos because they famously don't interact with anything (millions are passing through you from the sun right now, yes through, doing 0 harm). However I also happen to know you're better at QM than I am. For every one that's detected, how many would pass through?

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Well we detect Xs because they do things (like cell damage). That's interaction. Neutrinos pass through without doing shit.

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Will be interesting to see what direction physics takes from now on and what this discovery will facilitate
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if this is proved to be true then nothing much will change. You just swap light for neutrinos as the fastest traveling shit.
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