#1
#1
So im at guitar center today and looking in the area that has pedals and shit. You can get single peddals with one effect on it, or you can buy a $200 thing that not only has a shit ton of effects, but will record about 20 seconds of what you play, they play it back on repeat. So my question is why would anyone waste money on a single effect pedal, when you can save a little and get the better thing? Is there something Im missing here?

#2
Ive been studying theory for a while and just wanna see how well im getting this. To write an effective song, one should know they key your in, then use the major, minor, and pentatonic scales to throw interesting melodies in the chord progressions being played correct?

So if one were to play a basic I, IV, V chord progression in Bmag, you would throw in various scale progressions using the diatonic notes within the scale (whatever scale your using). Correct? Obviously there is more you can do and ways to play outside of the scales, but im just trying to get a basic idea for simply song writing

#3
Anyone know a good program that will scrum a chord progression for you, or throw a drum beat down so you can play over it? I hear guitar pro is one route to go, but im not sure how to use it.......wheres the drum machine?

#4
I dont know much about the modes, but they keep appearing. How important is it to learn them, and when would you throw them in a song? How do you get them to "click" with whatever key your in?
Last edited by Go0ber at Oct 29, 2011,
#2
So im at guitar center today and looking in the area that has pedals and shit. You can get single peddals with one effect on it, or you can buy a $200 thing that not only has a shit ton of effects, but will record about 20 seconds of what you play, they play it back on repeat. So my question is why would anyone waste money on a single effect pedal, when you can save a little and get the better thing? Is there something Im missing here?


If you're familiar with the concept of a jack of all trades vs. a specialist, you might understand. IMO, multi-fx pedals are generally like a jack of all trades - it tries to do a little bit of everything (to a certain extent, to simulate a bunch of the one-task pedals) and is not great at anything in particular (there are exceptions to this though). On the other hand, a pedal for a single effect is like a specialist - it should be geared toward doing one thing well, and set up for you to have optimal control over that one thing.

It's a toss up between options and focus.
Last edited by Brainpolice2 at Oct 29, 2011,
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Quote by Brainpolice2
If you're familiar with the concept of a jack of all trades vs. a specialist, you might understand. IMO, multi-fx pedals are generally like a jack of all trades - it tries to do a little bit of everything (to a certain extent, to simulate a bunch of the one-task pedals) and is not great at anything in particular (there are exceptions to this though). On the other hand, a pedal for a single effect is like a specialist - it should be geared toward doing one thing well, and set up for you to have optimal control over that one thing.

It's a toss up between options and focus.

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#4
#1
Basically what was said above.

#2
That's one way to do it, yes. Put an emphasis on chord tones and it should sound decent.

#3
Band In A Box is meant to be quite good but I think it's quite expensive. Guitar pro is okay, you can just write your own. Same thing goes for a sequencer, or you could just download some backing tracks.

#4
Modes aren't that important, I'd say it's more important to learn the major and minor scales inside and out.
#5
Quote by Jesse Clarkson
#1
Basically what was said above.

#2
That's one way to do it, yes. Put an emphasis on chord tones and it should sound decent.

#3
Band In A Box is meant to be quite good but I think it's quite expensive. Guitar pro is okay, you can just write your own. Same thing goes for a sequencer, or you could just download some backing tracks.

#4
Modes aren't that important, I'd say it's more important to learn the major and minor scales inside and out.



Im noticing the scale patterns transfer all over the guitar It was quite amazing for me as a noob to realize, but do the other scales work this way? (as far as modes go?). I know major, minor, and pentatonic all transfer over the fret board (just move the root).......does this apply for other types of scales as well.
#6
1. I would buy the multi-fx BUT if I found I was using one effect all the time I'd then buy a single fx pedal to do that, e.g. a Cry Baby Wah.
2. Depends what sort of genre and what sort of tune you want. But, if its a major key then sticking to the notes of the chords of that key is usually a good start. Note that even so not all of the notes will fit with all of the chords all of the time.
3. Guitar Pro is music writing software. This will allow you to write chord progressions and drum line and play them back to you. The menu sequence is Track Add Drums and Precussion to add a line on which to write the kit. To be honest the sounds it makes are quite artificial (too precise) even with the latest improved versions.
Another way would be to use a DAW like Reaper or Cubase or Pro Tools. This will allow you to record backing tracks and drum tracks using real or virtual instruments. You will need an interface box such as Line 6 pod or ALesis Io2 to record into your computer.
So - Guitar Pro - good for writing stuff - and you get a printed manuscript.
OR a DAW for recording. I have and use both and I suspect that you will need both too.
4. Modes - check out the UG lessons section for modes also here:
http://www.guitars.co.uk/forum/ubbthreads.php/ubb/showflat/Number/242772#Post242772
But master the major scale first and you will have done most of the work already.
Last edited by PSimonR at Oct 29, 2011,
#7
Quote by Go0ber

To write an effective song, one should know the key you're in , then use the major, minor, and pentatonic scales to throw interesting melodies in the chord progressions being played correct?

Music can still be effective even if you don't have a key.
Serialism, look it up.
Last edited by GoldenGuitar at Oct 29, 2011,
#8
Quote by Go0ber
#1
So im at guitar center today and looking in the area that has pedals and shit. You can get single peddals with one effect on it, or you can buy a $200 thing that not only has a shit ton of effects, but will record about 20 seconds of what you play, they play it back on repeat. So my question is why would anyone waste money on a single effect pedal, when you can save a little and get the better thing? Is there something Im missing here?


The short answer is because the $200 MFX pedal doesn't sound very good.

Now, to be fair, there are increasing MFX pedals that sound very very good indeed. But it's about flexibility and finding your own sound. The nice thing about individual pedals is that they give you complete customization over your sound.

Wheres a MFX unit tends to always sound somewhat like itself, no matter what you do with it. Any given MFX unit has limitations in terms of order of affects and ability to put them together.

With the best MFX units, it's not so much about the unit sounding bad, but that it may not be what you want it to sound like. For an expert who's really trying to dial in a very specific tone, they're buying different pedals because they like the specific sound of those pedals.

That being said, I think they make a lot of sense for relative beginners and intermediates, whose tastes and style are developing, making a heavy investment in individual pedals probably not worthwhile.


#2
Ive been studying theory for a while and just wanna see how well im getting this. To write an effective song, one should know they key your in, then use the major, minor, and pentatonic scales to throw interesting melodies in the chord progressions being played correct?

So if one were to play a basic I, IV, V chord progression in Bmag, you would throw in various scale progressions using the diatonic notes within the scale (whatever scale your using). Correct? Obviously there is more you can do and ways to play outside of the scales, but im just trying to get a basic idea for simply song writing


This is one approach. A lot of people write songs by starting with the melody, and then finding chords to harmonize with it. (eg, if the melody goes C-E-F-A-G, you might play a CMaj chord over the C and E, and Fmaj over the F and A, and a G major over the G).

But yes, what you're writing is correct as far as it goes: you can write a song by starting with a chord progression, then using the scales associated with that progression to find a melody.

#3
Anyone know a good program that will scrum a chord progression for you, or throw a drum beat down so you can play over it? I hear guitar pro is one route to go, but im not sure how to use it.......wheres the drum machine?


Not sure what you mean scrum a chord progression.

I use Garageband to just throw down something simply and easily, and it has looping funtions which I can use to add extra instruments. It's pretty basic and sometimes limiting (no real room for time changes), but helps me scratch out ideas pretty easily.

But I'm making up the chords when I do that, not it. You should be doing so, as well.

#4
I dont know much about the modes, but they keep appearing. How important is it to learn them, and when would you throw them in a song? How do you get them to "click" with whatever key your in?


The short answer is that they're not very important, not yet.

I think most people gravitate toward modes because they feel stuck in their development, and they think it will help make them more creative. While I think that it helps for some people, training your ear is far, far more important, because that's how you get yourself to start thinking in musical ideas rather than fretboard patterns.
#10
do you have an instructor if not i highly suggest getting one. You learn more there in a month than you would by yourself in 6 months.

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