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http://www.chron.com/news/houston-texas/article/Online-hackers-threaten-to-expose-cartel-s-secrets-2242068.php

So a so-called member of Anonymous was kidnapped at a protest in Mexico by a cartel called the Zetas.

Now Anonymous is threatening to release the names of the Zetas including corrupt police and military officials and journalists who are working with the Zetas to make the law enforcement look bad.

What a lot of people don't know is that Anon started the whole Occupy movement. Now they're thinking they're the awesome just because they launched an international movement. They said they're going after Fox News and now they're going after Drug Cartels.

They're over-estimating themselves. I respect some of the deeds Anonymous does, but Anon has got to be careful if they're going ahead against the drug cartels.

Any thoughts?
Last edited by CannedBullets at Oct 30, 2011,
#2
Anonymous, world police? Fuck yeah
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#3
Well this will be interesting. If they succeed they will accomplish more than the mexican government has been trying for over 6-7 years. The keyboard is mightier than the guns.
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#4
they might as well, what can cartels do to retaliate? decapitate their IP address?
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What a lot of people don't know is that Anon started the whole Occupy movement. Now they're thinking they're the awesome just because they launched an international movement. They said they're going after Fox News and now they're going after Drug Cartels.

Nope.

What a lot of people think is that Anon started the Occupy movement. It was started by the Adbusters magazine actually.
#7
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they might as well, what can cartels do to retaliate? decapitate their IP address?


The Zetas will be in the same situation as the Mexican and US Governments are in. They can only track a few suspected members while the majority are safe.
#8
It's not like drug cartels will be able to do anything anyway, they aren't smart enough to find out where any of Anonymous is.
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#9
Why would anon be scared? For one, its anonymous. For two, the US isnt going to extradite a national and hand them over to a mexican drug cartel even if there was a way to catch them
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#11
**** the Zetas, seriously. everyone's been trying to get rid of them. the government, the polic, the drug cartels, an armed group gave a sort of press conference a few weeks ago. they were masked and called themselves 'los matazetas' which mean the zeta killers, they said they're not here to do harm but to just get rid of them.
the zetas are one of the most hated groups, they do not only deal with drugs but also with kidnappings, blackmailing, robbery, ransom.
some cartels have risen against them, trying to kill the territory from the crimes i just mentioned, must drug cartels are just after selling drugs, and are actually against kidnapping, etc. and want 'safety' in their territories.
thing is the zetas leaders are former military agents so they know they're shit around guns and tactics.
i doubt exposing the names will do much, though. but yeah, **** them.
#12
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Why would anon be scared? For one, its anonymous. For two, the US isnt going to extradite a national and hand them over to a mexican drug cartel even if there was a way to catch them

You do realise that Anonymous isn't just in America right...?
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Why would anon be scared? For one, its anonymous. For two, the US isnt going to extradite a national and hand them over to a mexican drug cartel even if there was a way to catch them

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#14
I'm not sure how much good that will do, but I wish them the best of luck in bringing them down.
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#15
Yeah...I've followed the violence in Mexico for some time now through both American and Mexican media. I'm happy that this is happening, and I seriously do not doubt Anon's capabilities, though some write them off as geeks behind a computer.
Hopefully they actually do something, because the situation in Mexico is really a bigger problem than people think.

On the other hand I don't doubt the Zeta's either. I'm not saying they'er going to really do anything, but they are by no means stupid. These are corrupt officials and ex-soldiers who know what they're doing. That's what's kept them in power for so long.

But this is definately happy news if it goes over well for Anon.
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#16
Sounds pretty cool, and I hope they find some way to break them up. I don't see how much they can do though.

(inb4 people arguing for the cartels, everything's best home-grown.)
#17
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You do realise that Anonymous isn't just in America right...?


Son do you realize who your talking to? PS, other countries arent going to extradite a national either
#19
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Son do you realize who your talking to? PS, other countries arent going to extradite a national either

Well they won't need to extradite someone who got kidnapped in Mexico to Mexico, if that's what you're trying to say.

Actually I have no idea who you are implying is going to be extradited.
#20
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Well they won't need to extradite someone who got kidnapped in Mexico to Mexico, if that's what you're trying to say.

Actually I have no idea who you are implying is going to be extradited.


People abroad who post the names. What, you think someone who actually knows the names is gonna come and out just start yelling it in the street in mexico? Or even post it from his own computer? Naw dog, lets be real. Hes gonna get someone abroad to do it so he cant specifically get backtraced

Now, obviously the Zetas are gonna retaliate. At which point you have to ask yourself, "at what point do we say **** it, theyve been killing people all along as it is"

The thing is though, anon actually has potential to be really annoying for the Zetas because the internet is probably not a territory they are familiar fighting with

But, that said, anon isnt going to be too much more than a thorn in the Zetas side. It could at the very most be the spark that catches the tinder that starts the fire that brings the Zetas down
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People abroad who post the names. What, you think someone who actually knows the names is gonna come and out just start yelling it in the street in mexico? Or even post it from his own computer? Naw dog, lets be real. Hes gonna get someone abroad to do it so he cant specifically get backtraced

Now, obviously the Zetas are gonna retaliate. At which point you have to ask yourself, "at what point do we say **** it, theyve been killing people all along as it is"

The thing is though, anon actually has potential to be really annoying for the Zetas because the internet is probably not a territory they are familiar fighting with

But, that said, anon isnt going to be too much more than a thorn in the Zetas side. It could at the very most be the spark that catches the tinder that starts the fire that brings the Zetas down

Why would anyone extradite anyone because a Drug Cartel asked them to?

EDIT: Rhetorical question aimed at Anonymous not you bro.
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Why would anyone extradite anyone because a Drug Cartel asked them to?

EDIT: Rhetorical question aimed at Anonymous not you bro.


To answer your question as if it were aimed at me; because theyre threatening to reveal the names of corrupt politicians, etc. It wouldnt be just the cartel wanting them dead, it would be people with power in the mexican govt; people with the power to request extradition. Which of course would not happen anyways. Which is the benefit of posting from a computer in another country
Last edited by chantastic at Oct 30, 2011,
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To answer your question as if it were aimed at me; because theyre threatening to reveal the names of corrupt politicians, etc. It wouldnt be just the cartel wanting them dead, it would be people with power in the mexican govt; people with the power to request extradition. Which of course would not happen anyways

There's still no reason for extradition though. There's a reason the corrupt politicians would want them silenced, but there's no real reason for them to be extradited.

Ah, your edit addressed it ****

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People abroad who post the names. What, you think someone who actually knows the names is gonna come and out just start yelling it in the street in mexico? Or even post it from his own computer? Naw dog, lets be real. Hes gonna get someone abroad to do it so he cant specifically get backtraced

Now, obviously the Zetas are gonna retaliate. At which point you have to ask yourself, "at what point do we say **** it, theyve been killing people all along as it is"

The thing is though, anon actually has potential to be really annoying for the Zetas because the internet is probably not a territory they are familiar fighting with

But, that said, anon isnt going to be too much more than a thorn in the Zetas side. It could at the very most be the spark that catches the tinder that starts the fire that brings the Zetas down


There are ways to stay anonymous on the interwebs. Yes, they probably would post the names from their computer though a tunnel, perhaps a public one like Tor or better yet a private tunnel. It's not like they can backtrack you through Tor nodes unless they know where you're entering from, in which case, they already know who you are...
#26
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There's still no reason for extradition though. There's a reason the corrupt politicians would want them silenced, but there's no real reason for them to be extradited.


For cybercrime against the mexican govt. Maybe I misread the article, but I figured there was going to be SOME hacking SOMEWHERE to get all the names they needed

^Yea theres teh deepwebz and everything I guess. You dont really even need it though
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#27
There's always the possibility of them increasing their attacks on innocent civilians in response to the Anon attacks, until Anon backs down.
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#28
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#29
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There's always the possibility of them increasing their attacks on innocent civilians in response to the Anon attacks, until Anon backs down.


But if anyone does anything to fight them, they kill innocents
#30
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But if anyone does anything to fight them, they kill innocents


Exactly, if someone gets exposed and arrested because of anon, the cartels will just start slaughtering more innocents in retaliation. It's a futile endeavor.
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Information is an extremely powerful thing. Whether or not Anonymous itself can do any damage to the cartels remains to be seen, but it's certainly a possibility. There's no reason to be dismissing them out of hand, at least without providing a reason why.
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Information is an extremely powerful thing. Whether or not Anonymous itself can do any damage to the cartels remains to be seen, but it's certainly a possibility. There's no reason to be dismissing them out of hand, at least without providing a reason why.

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#34
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Because plans started by Anonymous to better the world have never worked.


Didn't they JUST hack into some kiddie porn site and release a list of it's members? Granted, I don't know how much that actually accomplished, but it proves that they can do more besides stupid pranks.
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#35
Anonymous better not mess with my drug supply... I need me some fair priced mexican drugs
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#36
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What a lot of people don't know is that Anon started the whole Occupy movement.

Really? I also heard that they invented the button fly and practiced oral sex before it was cool.
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#37
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Really? I also heard that they invented the button fly and practiced oral sex before it was cool.


Well they helped kickstart it. I think they were the first ones to start spreading internet flyers.
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Well they helped kickstart it. I think they were the first ones to start spreading internet flyers.


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#39
Wasn't there an UGer that said they were goin' to Mexico a couple of weeks back? What happened to him?
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#40
Anonymous did not start the Occupy movement.
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