Poll: Should the UK have the death penalty?
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View poll results: Should the UK have the death penalty?
Absolutely
60 23%
Never
181 69%
Undecided
20 8%
Voters: 261.
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#1
poll on the way.

Do you believe the UK should have it? Im talking for serious offences like murder, rape, extreme child abuse etc, where their is definate proof the suspect did it.

Should it be allowed?
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#2
No. /thread
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#3
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Why only the UK?

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#5
No.
I mean, the only "definite proof" I'd be comfortable with, would be an immediate confession from the accused. No being locked in solitary for 5 years until they are beated and interrogated until they own up.
Too much room for reasonable doubt to be ignored.
#6
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Why only the UK?

Im from the UK and am not entirely sure who else has it apart from the USA
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#7
Yes of course. If you kill someone you should be killed, an eye for an eye and all that.

Makes sense doesn't it


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#8
Quote by SkepsisMetal
No.
I mean, the only "definite proof" I'd be comfortable with, would be an immediate confession from the accused. No being locked in solitary for 5 years until they are beated and interrogated until they own up.
Too much room for reasonable doubt to be ignored.

You should probably look into false confessions.

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#9
Take a lesson from the US. Don't illegalize capital punishment everywhere and then re-legalize it a few years later.
#10
Yes, better 100 innocent men die than one guilty man go unpunished.
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#11
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You should probably look into false confessions.


Ya, seriously, confessions are not actually reliable.

Also, no. Nowhere in the world ever again.
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#12
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You should probably look into false confessions.



Depends on the motive for it. At the end of the day, it's still their responsibility for confessing. And if they did it for credit and fame, then it's their own stupid fault for owning up. But if they're coerced or bribed into it then yeah, it's that difficult ground again.
Like I said, I'd definitely not want it implemented in this country.
#14
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Depends on the motive for it. At the end of the day, it's still their responsibility for confessing. And if they did it for credit and fame, then it's their own stupid fault for owning up. But if they're coerced or bribed into it then yeah, it's that difficult ground again.
Like I said, I'd definitely not want it implemented in this country.

Coercion is quite difficult to prove.

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#15
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Coercion is quite difficult to prove.


Unless someone confesses to the coercion!
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#16
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yeah why not, it might free up some space in prison.



So would not imprisoning people for 5 years because they tried and failed to start a riot via facebook
#17
I always support thinning the herd of UKers.

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Unless someone confesses to the coercion!

What if they were coerced into confessing?
#19
I like how there aren't any votes for "undecided."
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#20
According to wikipedia 65% of Brits support legalization and only 28% are opposed.

And:

A November 2009 television survey showed that 70% favoured reinstating the death penalty for at least one of the following crimes: armed robbery, rape, crimes related to paedophilia, terrorism, adult murder, child murder, child rape, treason, child abuse, or kidnapping



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capital_punishment_in_the_United_Kingdom#Public_support_for_reintroduction_of_capital_punishment
#21
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So would not imprisoning people for 5 years because they tried and failed to start a riot via facebook

its their own fault for using facebook. maybe if they tried to start a riot the old fashioned way by torching cars and throwing stuff then they wouldn't have been caught.
#23
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What if they were coerced into confessing?

We need to go deeper.

COERCION

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#24
Of course not. There is not a single solid argument for capital punishment that a semi-intelligent junior high school student couldn't refute.
#25
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Of course not. There is not a single solid argument for capital punishment that a semi-intelligent junior high school student couldn't refute.


got something against semi-intelligent junior high school students?
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#26
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got something against semi-intelligent junior high school students?

Not at all. Indeed, I was once one myself!
#27
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Not at all. Indeed, I was once one myself!


Now he's all grown up as an edgy high schooler!
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it's okay due, i'm an edgy high schooler too. i like to update my status on facebook about heroin legalization and insist socialist principles on the student government.
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#29
Quote by due 07
Of course not. There is not a single solid argument for capital punishment that a semi-intelligent junior high school student couldn't refute.


I'm not taking a stand, but I feel that the best argument for capital punishment is about giving families closure, especially in the case of heinous crimes. With a system that (at least in America) lets a lot of prisoners go (despite the fact that they have been convicted, "beyond a reasonable doubt," by "a jury of their peers," even of extremely violent of sexual crimes) there may be a certain comfort law-abiding victims deserve. Families and friends are victims as well.

I suffix this by saying that I don't have a stand, I don't have statistics to back anything I've said, only impressions, and I'm not a lawyer, or a victim. I just feel that is an argument that deserves more than passing consideration, even if the best evidence for it is anecdotal.
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#30
Never, even if the crime was filmed and there was no doubt who did it, killing someone as punishment is complete bullshit.
#31
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I'm not taking a stand, but I feel that the best argument for capital punishment is about giving families closure, especially in the case of heinous crimes. With a system that (at least in America) lets a lot of prisoners go (despite the fact that they have been convicted, "beyond a reasonable doubt," by "a jury of their peers," even of extremely violent of sexual crimes) there may be a certain comfort law-abiding victims deserve. Families and friends are victims as well.

Carrying out sentences on the emotional whim of the victim (and/or their family) is a bad idea. That's why we don't let victims (and/or their family, again) on the jury. That would undermine the entire point of the justice system.
#32
I reckon that the prison sentence and the life you have in prison should at least be tougher in relation to the crime. No rights at all, slop your own crap out, crap food and all the rest, it shouldn't be an easy life and none of this getting released early crap either. It seems like you'd go to jail for longer for stealing money from the banks than you would if you raped and mudered a young girl! Is that nuts or what?
#33
I voted absolutely but now I'm not sure.

I'm all for the victim beating the fuck out of his aggressor though.
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#34
Quote by due 07
Carrying out sentences on the emotional whim of the victim (and/or their family) is a bad idea. That's why we don't let victims (and/or their family, again) on the jury. That would undermine the entire point of the justice system.



True, but that's only in the decision if the person is guilty or not.
#35
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Carrying out sentences on the emotional whim of the victim (and/or their family) is a bad idea. That's why we don't let victims (and/or their family, again) on the jury. That would undermine the entire point of the justice system.


I'm not saying this is something the victims should be able to decide. I'm saying its an argument that should be considered. Closure, and a feeling of security for everyone might be important enough for the death penalty to be instituted for certain crimes.
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#36
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I'm not saying this is something the victims should be able to decide. I'm saying its an argument that should be considered. Closure, and a feeling of security for everyone might be important enough for the death penalty to be instituted for certain crimes.

Like I said, though, the justice system isn't here to appeal to the emotional whims of the victims. "Closure" isn't a good enough reason to kill people.
#38
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Yes, better 100 innocent men die than one guilty man go unpunished.

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It's this mentality though that scares me. It's not the states job to take lives, they have a monopoly on violence. However this in my defense should only be used to protect citizens to reasonable limits. If someone is killed while committing an offence that warnants violence then I am fine with it. As their was no other alternatives in the protection of citizens.

An apprehended criminal is no longer a threat to society. They are in need of rehabilitation. The state no longer requires violence to restrain them, they have other tools such as education and counciling.

The only justifiable reason for capital punishment is revenge. Which is really quite a childish reason to end a life. Look throughout history, and good literature may I add, how revenge benefits no one.

The arguement that capital punishment will reduce crime rates has been proven wrong my statistics. You can google that yourself, id prefer if you have acess to a data library or the equivalent in your country to statcan(Canadian) to use that to track government records
#40
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There's no such thing as definitive proof, especially in age where edited video can look entirely real.

I'm sure that there is such a thing as definitive proof
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