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#1
A world that's complete Communist, this is my version of it: Establishment of a Progressive Socialist system, in case of difficult times it is necessary to sway a bit to the right to fix it, that is because the destruction of free market, doesn't mean one cannot establish necessary trade between neighboring countries-This would be temporarily because if the Communism went Global then there would be no need of swaying right because it would primarily focus on Human wants and needs (such as the expansion of the human race beyond our world and focus on nationalizing all goods available in our Solar system)

Next would be the focus of equality, we are all humans a person from China will see one no different in the Congo (this will be the mainstream view), no passports, but borders are necessary for a time until humans begin to occupy the RED planet. Once we leave an era of no passports and regulated transportation, then we are slowly leaving that predatory system known as Capitalism, people identify who they are with pieces of paper, there is no need for such ignorance within such a unique race, and yes I am optimistic of humans because we have yet to realize our accomplishments which we have credited countless deities over the years.

Populations, cultures, and the minority must be appointed as to the responsibility of the people. The preservation of culture is important, but not on a political scale because nationalism serves human envy. Religion should only be exorcized as only spiritual for individual needs, all other individual needs will be associated with what you buy (which shall be controlled to satisfy more of the needs then the wants of people globally), where you stand socially (socially active or socially independent), and art. Competition by all means is destructive to a Communist, but competition within sports in a healthy manner is always good to educate, but competition in art will always remain ruthless and will be kept that way to explore new feelings and enlightenment.

Wealth will be controlled and distributed properly by representative government, a working person's wage count (maximum money made) will depend on his effort, his will, his education, and his job. Maximum for a working person earned should be 100 thousand-two hundred thousand. Maximum for a person of high education and more profound profession will be 1 million, everything else made will go to Life and death benefits, and other benefits.


I don't know, I'm only 18, I wish I knew more, but I pretty much came up with this due to the classes I'm taking. I think Global Communism according to Marx wont be achieved until we have a socialist revolution, and in my opinion these protests are asking for us to move to the left a bit....But not communist, more like Social Democrat or Modern Liberal way.
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#4
Get out of here, you Maoist, Stalinist, Leninist, Marxist, Obamanist, Muslim.
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Get out of here, you Maoist, Stalinist, Leninist, Marxist, Obamanist, Muslim.


Lol, funny thing most people actually think it is a bad thing, they were convinced, brainwashed and such....America the democracy it was prosecuted suspected "Communists" without fair trial. The only reason Russia became totalitarian communist was because it was the wrong area to be in, and they already would have enough enemies as it is :P

Let's look at Russian athletes, musicians, and the Space race, they were much superior then the west, the only reason it failed was the incentives. ha!
#8
inb4Due. fuck yeah
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#10
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Let's look at Russian athletes, musicians, and the Space race, they were much superior then the west, the only reason it failed was the incentives. ha!


As someone who is almost done with their degree on Russian Language and Soviet history, allow me to say that incentive was not the only reason Communism did not work in Russia. There are a multitude of reasons communism did not work in Russia, many of which would be the same reasons it would be tenuous or disastrous anywhere else in the world.

EDIT: Also...for the lulz
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#11
And you'll have the exact same problem as Russia, which is that a powerful central government is necessary to maintain the system, and a powerful central government will draw in the sort of people who will take advantage of their authority, resulting in a small group of people who own the nation/world/whatever and throw whatever scraps they decide they can do without to the starving masses. Nice try, though.

The closest realistic possibility to true communism would be enlightened anarchy--teach each person to love and respect their fellow humans, show them how to treat each other for maximum total happiness and quality of life, brutally murder those who won't, then eliminate all government in all forms. Oh, and everyone involved in implementing the system has to commit a cheerful and voluntary suicide as soon as anarchy is in place. Sound likely? Still more likely than a successful communist state.

Or figure out how to live a happy, fulfilled life under any economic system, then do that. And teach other people that same skill. Don't worry about whether other people are richer or poorer than you, only worry about whether your needs are met. Help people when you can, don't worry about it when you can't. If you're being forced to toil for the benefit of the bourgeois, then toil in a way you enjoy, take pride in what you do, and stop caring so much that other people have more than you. Take a step away from your materialistic ideas and your socioeconomic environment will stop seeming so terrible.
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#12
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As someone who is almost done with their degree on Russian Language and Soviet history, allow me to say that incentive was not the only reason Communism did not work in Russia. There are a multitude of reasons communism did not work in Russia, many of which would be the same reasons it would be tenuous or disastrous anywhere else in the world.



Stop that. We're trying to have an uneducated conversation here.
#13
if the Communism went Global then there would be no need of swaying right because it would primarily focus on Human wants and needs (such as the expansion of the human race beyond our world and focus on nationalizing all goods available in our Solar system)

I can't wait til tomorrow when I log on and find the answer to this question: The fuck are all these "goods" "the Communism" is gonna "nationalize" for us out in the Solar system? Rust? Hydrogen?

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#14
Hey there! I'm learning Swedish, and does your name mean 'pig heart'? If so, then my practice is paying off, if not, I obviously need more.
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#15
Also the poll needs a "DIDN'T READ LOL.gif" option.

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#16
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Stop that. We're trying to have an uneducated conversation here.


There, I put something unserious in.
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#17
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As someone who is almost done with their degree on Russian Language and Soviet history, allow me to say that incentive was not the only reason Communism did not work in Russia. There are a multitude of reasons communism did not work in Russia, many of which would be the same reasons it would be tenuous or disastrous anywhere else in the world.


Well it wasn't really much of a Marxist communist world that was held in Russia, as we know Marx has four steps for a socialist revolution to occur, one would argue Lenin achieved only 2 because a dictatorship by the people wasn't achieved as Marx predicted, they just appointed a totalitarian group such as Lenin and his followers then after Stalin.

Now another problem was the Soviet war machine, after the cold war (because both the Americans and the Russians spent so much to prepare for full on conflict) they were in debt, the only thing is why the Americans didn't drop was because they already established markets at this time in China and other places.
#18
goddamnit SEE WHAT OBAMA'S DOING TO THIS COUNTRY
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#19
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There, I put something unserious in.



There, now it's Pit friendly.
#20
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Hey there! I'm learning Swedish, and does your name mean 'pig heart'? If so, then my practice is paying off, if not, I obviously need more.



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#21
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Yes it does thank you for noticing, Grishjarta is also my religious practice, I follow the prophet Nattramn.

What this guy just said can be idiotically misconstrued as saying he worships pig hearts.

Have fun, trolls.

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#23
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#24
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What this guy just said can be idiotically misconstrued as saying he worships pig hearts.

Have fun, trolls.


You're a fool, it only translates to Pig's heart in Swedish the term in old European is associated with Belus. -_-

And it's not about worship it's about becoming the perfect human being, and seeking out wisdom.
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#25
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Is there still policing in communism?

no because everyone will follow the rules

Quote by kaptkegan
As someone who is almost done with their degree on Russian Language and Soviet history, allow me to say that incentive was not the only reason Communism did not work in Russia. There are a multitude of reasons communism did not work in Russia, many of which would be the same reasons it would be tenuous or disastrous anywhere else in the world.

EDIT: Also...for the lulz

Honestly curious, what are the other reasons? Simply, if you can, I'm not too in politics and all
#26
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You're a fool, it only translates to Pig's heart in Swedish the term in old European is associated with Belus. -_-

Do you hear that SteveHouse?

You're a fool for think that what he said could be idiotically misconstrued as worshipping Pig Hearts. Obviously this means that the logical thing is that he worships Pig Hearts.

But if that is logic...

Then who was phone?
#27
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You're a fool, it only translates to Pig's heart in Swedish the term in old European is associated with Belus. -_-

And it's not about worship it's about becoming the perfect human being, and seeking out wisdom.


Lyssna inte till han, du är svensk och därför bättra an honom.

Lol.

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Do you hear that SteveHouse?

You're a fool for think that what he said could be idiotically misconstrued as worshipping Pig Hearts. Obviously this means that the logical thing is that he worships Pig Hearts.

But if that is logic...

Then who was phone?


Jag var telefon.
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no because everyone will follow the rules


Honestly curious, what are the other reasons? Simply, if you can, I'm not too in politics and all


Well if you read what I wrote, it's not like there wont be any possessions, because if the world chooses to become globally Communist, then there would be plenty of junk to go around, what we don't need is all these bottles of different crappy products that make us crappy people due to the chemicals inside them, and all these electronics generation after generation, lets face it the only reason we have recycling is because how much we consume, not just that, recycling costs more energy.

I also believe we should only have to pick from 6 cars or less, there are too many cars on this planet, and I think we're missing the point, it's supposed to get you from point A to B
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I also believe we should only have to pick from 6 cars or less, there are too many cars on this planet, and I think we're missing the point, it's supposed to get you from point A to B



There are myriad different purposes for many different vehicles.
#31
Quote by Grishjarta
I also believe we should only have to pick from 6 cars or less, there are too many cars on this planet, and I think we're missing the point, it's supposed to get you from point A to B


1. Small car to use in the city
2. Sedan for medium sized family transport in the city
3. Large car to use for medium sized family shopping and non human transport in the city
4. Large van to use for large sized family in the city
5. Utility vehicle for builders, people that need the space
6. 4WD Trucks for offroad driving
7. Trucks for hauling large loads

I count more than 6
#32
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Honestly curious, what are the other reasons? Simply, if you can, I'm not too in politics and all


I think the main issue is that for any group larger than some number x, you need some sort of centralized leadership to function, especially if the group (in this case, Russia) has to interact with the rest of the world. But in forming some sort of leadership, you've already established classes (which, if you read the Communist Manifesto, are the devil). So right from the get-go, you have this ideological paradox of practicality versus trying to build the Utopian Proletarian state.

You can sort of trace this through Soviet history, with things like the New Economic Plan (which was capitalist in nature) trying to get the economy going.

That, combined with the merry-go-round of corruption and paranoia-driven oppression (mostly under Stalin), and a couple of wars (which are great for capitalist economies, but tend to suck communist economies dry) really ensured that the infrastructure for building a functioning nation could never take off.

Some of the issues are situational, I agree, but the problems of running a large country with an ostensibly communist economy and socialist government have not magically disappeared since 1991. I love the ideal, and I'm supportive of social welfare, and fair distribution of responsibility among the rich and the poor, but the practicalities of making a large communist society come to life are problematic.

That was longer and rantier than I expected.

Here's a good book to read though:

http://www.amazon.com/History-Soviet-Union-Beginning-End/dp/0521682967/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1320735341&sr=8-1
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#34
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You're a fool, it only translates to Pig's heart in Swedish the term in old European is associated with Belus. -_-

And it's not about worship it's about becoming the perfect human being, and seeking out wisdom.

I've never heard old European before, what's it sound like?

And if it makes me a fool then that's the last time i try to keep the trolls away from a naive idealist.

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#35
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Hey there! I'm learning Swedish, and does your name mean 'pig heart'? If so, then my practice is paying off, if not, I obviously need more.


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#37
I demand a nonsense, this would require too much thought option. If i wanted to think, I would pay attention to the class im in. Im hear to spew bullshit
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