Poll: Would good exist without evil?
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Yes
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#1
This started as a heated discussion in my math class. We decided to come to the pit to try and prove one of my friends wrong (he said you guys were stupid). Anyways the point of this discussion was that if any form of evil didn't exist in the world, would it be possible for good to exist?

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#2
It wouldn't be good if there was no evil, would it. Everything would just be. No good. No evil. Just is.
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#3
Can ice cream exist without Brussels sprouts? I like to imagine so
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#4
How can you define what is good if there is no such thing as evil?

It's just like light and dark or hot and cold.
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#5
Good would still exist but you wouldn't be able to define it since you had nothing to compare it to. Ask yourself 'If a tree falls in the forest and nobody's around to hear it, does it still make a sound?'

Yes, it does.
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#6
Its called duality or something isn't it? Light and dark, good and evil, tall and short. You can't have one without the other because they are sort of relative terms, talking about a state relative to the other. For example if dark didn't exist it wouldn't make sense to talk about light.
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Ask yourself 'If a tree falls in the forest and nobody's around to hear it, does it still make a sound?'


that depends. if it's a boy tree, no. if it's girl tree, it'll complain for hours.
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that depends. if it's a boy tree, no. if it's girl tree, it'll complain for hours.


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How can you define what is good if there is no such thing as evil?

It's just like light and dark or hot and cold.


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#13
Would there be light without darkness?
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Would there be light without darkness?


in order for there to be no darkness, there would have to be light everywhere, so yes.
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#15
Be Nietzsche and go Beyond Good and Evil and realize that those are subjective names we assign to things.
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#16
I'd still hold doors open for people even if there was no evil in the world. I think that's good.
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#17
Good and evil are man-made concepts. They don't actually exist. No action is inherently good or evil.
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#18
If there is no evil in the world there is no way to define what good is. Just like if there was no sorrow in the world we wouldn't be able to define happiness.

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Good and evil are man-made concepts. They don't actually exist. No action is inherently good or evil.


Also this. In some societies (the Mayans for example) it was good to make sacrifices to the gods. In the societies that we come from it would be frowned upon to act in such a way.
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#19
Both good and evil are just terms created by the human imagination. They are also purely simbolical characteristics, as different individuals have different views on what is good or not.
An individual with a very unusual philosophy can be convinced that every action has only positive sides so your question has only one right answer.
Edit: I just got what you guys are aiming at. Well I guess they both need to exist, but it's a weird topic.


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#20
No, it would not. Good and evil are 2 sides of the same coin, like light and dark, or happiness and anger. Without one, the other would not be observable.
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#21
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Be Nietzsche and go Beyond Good and Evil and realize that those are subjective names we assign to things.

That's exactly what they are.


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#22
Evil in and of itself doesn't not exist, it is but an absence of good. It is the same thing with light, you can't add darkness to a room. You can only take away light. Thank you Theology class, I knew you would come in handy one day
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#23
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Good would still exist but you wouldn't be able to define it since you had nothing to compare it to. Ask yourself 'If a tree falls in the forest and nobody's around to hear it, does it still make a sound?'

Yes, it does.


Ahhh but what is sound? It is simply what your brain thinks when your ear drums vibrate, and is thus just an interpretation of different vibrations of the eardrum caused by whatever it is that stated the vibrations. If there is nothing/no-one around to turn the vibrations into electrical activity within the brain (ie. what we 'hear'), it isn't sound, it's just the movement of air.

OT: Yes, good can exist without evil because there is a lot more than just good and evil; there's many things in between them. So if you take evil away, everybody won't suddenly start doing the complete opposite and being good, because there's still many other things to choose from.
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#24
It's a stupid question. Good luck with that one.
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#26
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How can you define what is good if there is no such thing as evil?

It's just like light and dark or hot and cold.


no, becuase light and dark and hot and cold are both if you like, measurable, good and evil is more opinion
#27
Good and evil already don't exist. They are only representations of what every single individuals claims to be "good" and "bad".

For example, nazis would think that Adolf Hitler is "good", while the general public think he is "evil". Who is right, and how do we tell? Remember that if it's right for us, it doesn't necessarily means that it's right for everyone.
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#28
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'If a tree falls in the forest and nobody's around to hear it, does it still make a sound?'

Yes, it does.


If a man says something and there isn't a woman around to hear him, is he still wrong?
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#29
I'm getting the impression that some of you guys claim that good and evil are two objective characteristics of an action, that would exist without humanity.


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le vkup, le vkup z menoj,
staro pravdo v mrak tulimo,
da se pretulimo skozi to zimo
#30
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no, becuase light and dark and hot and cold are both if you like, measurable, good and evil is more opinion



also to take "hot and cold" they're just two faces of the same phenomenon
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#32
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Ahhh but what is sound? It is simply what your brain thinks when your ear drums vibrate, and is thus just an interpretation of different vibrations of the eardrum caused by whatever it is that stated the vibrations. If there is nothing/no-one around to turn the vibrations into electrical activity within the brain (ie. what we 'hear'), it isn't sound, it's just the movement of air.

Dude. Sound is the term given to the movement/vibration of particles (ie air), son.

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#33
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#34
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Good and evil are man-made concepts. They don't actually exist. No action is inherently good or evil.


i don't think so.

Biologically, social species (like us humans) know right from wrong...in other words "right" actions are those which will allow our species to survive and "wrong" actions are those which are detrimental to our survival.

from evolution alone things, like killing for example, are inherently wrong actions because they're detrimental to our survival as a species. This holds true for other species as well like ants or lions that form a kind of "society" and interact with one another.

science can go a very long way in explaining morality and where it comes from.
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#35
There is no good nor evil.

@waterboy, Social contracts are not a defining set of "good" or "bad" either. Morality doesnt come from an evolutionary perspective. Especially now because our species' evolution pattern has changed from survival of individuals to survival of ideas.

Were arguing from a more individual perspective here i think
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#36
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i don't think so.

Biologically, social species (like us humans) know right from wrong...in other words "right" actions are those which will allow our species to survive and "wrong" actions are those which are detrimental to our survival.


That's the thing though: our survival. Is it evil to mass murder? What if those you are mass murdering are bent on murdering you? In many cases, what is good for one is bad for another. For example, many people feel that killing animals and eating them is evil, but many others justify it because it is beneficial to our species.
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#37
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i don't think so.

Biologically, social species (like us humans) know right from wrong...in other words "right" actions are those which will allow our species to survive and "wrong" actions are those which are detrimental to our survival.

from evolution alone things, like killing for example, are inherently wrong actions because they're detrimental to our survival as a species. This holds true for other species as well like ants or lions that form a kind of "society" and interact with one another.

science can go a very long way in explaining morality and where it comes from.

Here is where our views part. You seem to be giving life a value on an universal scale. As much as our limiged minds want to convince us that life matters and serves as a ultimate achievement of a planet we have to realize that the complete extinction of Earth life forms or even the death of our entire solar system is as important as 1 mg of hidrogen burning up in a star.
Good and bad are nothing more than a pitifull invention of the mind - human or otherwise.
But that doesn't mean at all that we shouldn't respect our morals.


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uboga gmajna, le vpup, le vkup,
le vkup, le vkup z menoj,
staro pravdo v mrak tulimo,
da se pretulimo skozi to zimo
#38
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That's the thing though: our survival. Is it evil to mass murder? What if those you are mass murdering are bent on murdering you? In many cases, what is good for one is bad for another. For example, many people feel that killing animals and eating them is evil, but many others justify it because it is beneficial to our species.


if someone is bent on murdering you then i'm assuming they're in your species...in which case i already said that would be an evil action because it's detrimental to the survival of the species as a whole.

anyone who feels that killing animals and eating them is evil is almost always against the practices of modern meat distribution and their unethical methods of raising/killing these animals and ONLY because you can get away with a vegan diet through modern innovations, technology and knowledge. there's a huge difference there than in what you're implying.

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Here is where our views part. You seem to be giving life a value on an universal scale. As much as our limiged minds want to convince us that life matters and serves as a ultimate achievement of a planet we have to realize that the complete extinction of Earth life forms or even the death of our entire solar system is as important as 1 mg of hidrogen burning up in a star.
Good and bad are nothing more than a pitifull invention of the mind - human or otherwise.
But that doesn't mean at all that we shouldn't respect our morals.


an invention of the mind that evolved in social species on this planet over a long period of time...in other words, we developed our morals through evolution and thus they are inherent in us.

if what you guys are saying is true and morals are not inherent in us, then who created them? this is one of the basic arguments in favor of the existence of God...we wouldn't know right from wrong unless we were told as such, which is essentially what you're saying. I say different. No one needs to tell us right from wrong, we already know it(some more than others) through our evolution. More on the thread topic, yes Good would still exist but we wouldn't be able to define it...it would just be what it is. Although, you'd be hard pressed to find something that exists without it's polar opposite so why bring up this question in the first place?
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#40
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no, becuase light and dark and hot and cold are both if you like, measurable, good and evil is more opinion


You're right, but I was speaking about the philosophical nature of light and dark or hot and cold being dependent on the existence of the other.
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