#1
Ok so here's the deal:
I'm in love with the Marshall Vintage tone, but they're :
1. Overpriced
2. Hard to get my hands on
3. Lack Versatility

I'm seeking fat & chunky 70's punch mainly.

So basically I'm seeking a quality all tube head for under $2000 that can play beautifully loud. I have a 150w Fender Solidstate amp at the moment and it just can't get loud enough for my playing style (Garage band with a loud drummer)

I've been looking at Hiwatt, Orange, Jet City, Egnater, etc. And I just need some recommendations on models or other brands.

Thanks!
Last edited by kashmir0109 at Nov 8, 2011,
#3
Where are you located? You should have no problem getting a JCM800 or Vintage Modern for your budget. There are alos plenty of clones out there under budget.
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#4
My guitar teacher uses a Vox AC50 Head and it sounds pretty much like you want it to!
#5
Quote by PowerEngine
personaly love the blackstar amps check em out


Er could you recommend a model please? There's like 50 and I have no clue which is which
#6
Used splawn quickrod and matching cab? I got mine for well under 2k
What?! There's a clean channel on my amp?!

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#7
What do you mean you can't get a JCM800 for under $2k? Orange you aren't really going to find for that price, unless its used, I mean the cab alone will cost close to $1,000. Or maybe, you look into just getting a head, and wait a bit for the cab. Just an idea.
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#8
Quote by bluestratplayer
Where are you located? You should have no problem getting a JCM800 or Vintage Modern for your budget. There are alos plenty of clones out there under budget.


Yes I could probably find one of those two but the Vintage Modern hasn't appealed to me as far as sound, and the JCM800 lacks variety - no cleans whatsoever. And I was hoping to get some recommendations of clones in this thread.
Last edited by kashmir0109 at Nov 8, 2011,
#9
Laney AOR/GH50l/GH100l
Splawn Quickrod/Nitro

There are way to many 800 clones out there to list them all but here are some good amps that do that tone nicely on different ends of your budget.
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#10
Quote by kashmir0109
Yes I could probably find one of those two but the Vintage Modern hasn't appealed to me as far as sound, and the JCM800 lacks variety - no cleans whatsoever. And I was hoping to get some recommendations of clones in this thread.


Or buy a 800 and use it like it was meant to and find a Twin for your cleans.
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Cmatmods analog chorus, phaser, tremoglo, signa drive, butah, and deeelay
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#11
Marshall DSL or a Laney VH.

We really need to know where you're located though. I'm guessing not America, since you'd have pretty much any option you wanted with $2000. Australia?
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#12
Quote by bluestratplayer
Or buy a 800 and use it like it was meant to and find a Twin for your cleans.


JCM 800 = 1500 used + cab it's 2000. Definitely not to add a Twin into the mix.
#13
Quote by Offworld92
Marshall DSL or a Laney VH.

We really need to know where you're located though. I'm guessing not America, since you'd have pretty much any option you wanted with $2000. Australia?


Nope I'm in America but I just have a terrible habit of impulsively buying only to be disappointed the next day, so I'm really trying to be careful not to waste 2 grand and make sure I get the right amp.
#14
Quote by kashmir0109
JCM 800 = 1500 used + cab it's 2000. Definitely not to add a Twin into the mix.


WHERE ARE YOU LOCATED??? We can't help you without this. There is no way a 800 head runs 1500 in America.
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#15
JCM 800 = 700 to 1200 for a mint one.
Cab = 300

Buy it.
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#16
Quote by RMB
JCM 800 = 700 to 1200 for a mint one.
Cab = 300

Buy it.


don't forget the tube screamer. You can't get an 800 without a tube screamer!
What?! There's a clean channel on my amp?!

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#17
Quote by RMB
JCM 800 = 700 to 1200 for a mint one.
Cab = 300

Buy it.


K well I'm in RI and I'm lucky if I find a head for 1200.
I want a 1960AV cab so that's always a bit more expensive than the 75's.
And there's dilemma with getting the 800. The 2203 and 2204 have the true vintage tone but are single channel, and from what I read have pretty cruddy clean channels.

And the 2205 and 2210 tend to have a grittier and more 80's metal tone so...


And @ Shikkaka - Why spend the money for an amp with a great drive channel only to shroud the natural tube saturation with a pedal? I've read alot of compliments on tone of a JCM800 and a tubescreamer so I'm not arguing I'm just curious.
Last edited by kashmir0109 at Nov 8, 2011,
#18
^you boost it. And almost everyone does it. It tightens the sound and pushes it harder.
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#19
Quote by bluestratplayer
^you boost it. And almost everyone does it. It tightens the sound and pushes it harder.


Okay thanks. And what of my dilemma about the cleans? Is the 2205/2210 still good as far as classic rock tones??
And secondly should I seek out the 50 watt or 100 watt? Like I said I really like to play loud but I've heard that most 100 watts are insane and take an attenuator/massive amounts of volume to crank.
#20
Quote by kashmir0109
Okay thanks. And what of my dilemma about the cleans? Is the 2205/2210 still good as far as classic rock tones??
And secondly should I seek out the 50 watt or 100 watt? Like I said I really like to play loud but I've heard that most 100 watts are insane and take an attenuator/massive amounts of volume to crank.


50 watt amps are almost as loud as 100W amps. Its a common misconception the because it is double the wattage, it is double the volume. 100W amps typically offer more headroom before they break up so I would guess you want a 100W.
What?! There's a clean channel on my amp?!

Quote by GoodOl'trashbag
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#21
Quote by shikkaka
50 watt amps are almost as loud as 100W amps. Its a common misconception the because it is double the wattage, it is double the volume. 100W amps typically offer more headroom before they break up so I would guess you want a 100W.


So then that brings me down to a 2204 vs a 2210

2203 - More vintage rock tone (which is what I want)
2210 - More 80's metal tone but with a clean channel (so the clean channel is also important to me)

I just don't know. Any tips?
Last edited by kashmir0109 at Nov 8, 2011,
#23
Quote by kashmir0109
So then that brings me down to a 2204 vs a 2210

2204 - More vintage rock tone (which is what I want)
2210 - More 80's metal tone but with a clean channel (so the clean channel is also important to me)

I just don't know. Any tips?


I would try to fund a used splawn stack personally. Its those two amps put together and improved IMO. youtube some clips of a splawn quickrod.
What?! There's a clean channel on my amp?!

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omfg i totally forgot about that, you sir are jesus christ.
#24
Quote by shikkaka
I would try to fund a used splawn stack personally. Its those two amps put together and improved IMO. youtube some clips of a splawn quickrod.


Yeah from youtube (which isn't always the best indicator for sound I guess) I am not really digging its drives. They sound thin and tinny as opposed to Marshall's fat and chunky. I like the cleans though.
#25
I can honestly recommend a DSL50 for what you have said you wanted so far. They're fantastically versatile, and have really nice tone. At least check some out on Youtube if nothing else. You can get a DSL half stack for like $1100 or less.
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#26
Avatarspeakers.com. Choose your cab type colors and speakers.a 2x12 for less than 600 and orange tiny terror series amps are awesome. Just change out the poor chinese tubes with some jjs and you sound killer. And you could get the whole rig for well under 2 k add a clean boost for extra punch, youll be in heaven. I prefer the mxr cae pedals.
#27
Or Whitebox. Custom as well and are meant to compete with higher end cabs. Start at 400. They have a deal on the classic series 250 usd for a 2x12
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#28
Here is some stuff I'd be looking at. I got a bit carried away with the cities but you get the idea. Give that Renegade a good look and a Carvin V3 is a good idea too.

http://providence.craigslist.org/msg/2622889577.html
http://providence.craigslist.org/msg/2634668122.html
http://providence.craigslist.org/msg/2657503750.html
http://providence.craigslist.org/msg/2660125443.html
http://providence.craigslist.org/msg/2671176486.html
http://providence.craigslist.org/msg/2674103307.html
http://delaware.craigslist.org/msg/2615683377.html
http://baltimore.craigslist.org/msg/2690368792.html
http://baltimore.craigslist.org/msg/2682608177.html
http://baltimore.craigslist.org/search/msg?query=amp&srchType=A&minAsk=700&maxAsk=2100
http://baltimore.craigslist.org/msg/2667673131.html
http://baltimore.craigslist.org/msg/2655131344.html
http://baltimore.craigslist.org/msg/2648588364.html

Not sure what clips you found but thin and tinny is not what I think of when I think of Splawn. They are hard to record and do have those weird mids but otherwise they are killer, well made in North Carolina, affordable, and perfect for what you are looking for.

Check this guys GnR covers:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D_vkPpPUv8A
And Carl of course:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lV1xWPOWJXA


And Killswitch Engage would not use Splawns if they were thin sounding. Just sayin'

#30
Quote by bluestratplayer
Or Whitebox. Custom as well and are meant to compete with higher end cabs. Start at 400. They have a deal on the classic series 250 usd for a 2x12

I just looked, and it is 250 for an un-loaded 2x12 cab. they add another $150 if you want speakers.
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