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Yeah, they should've been fired.
21 66%
No biggie, their dead, who cares?
11 34%
Voters: 32.
#1
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WILMINGTON, Del. -- Three senior officials at Dover Air Force Base have been disciplined for "gross mismanagement" of the mortuary after investigators found evidence of missing body parts, fetal remains stored in cardboard boxes and a dead Marine's arm sawed off, without family consent, to fit his body into his uniform. In another incident, Keel ordered an embalmer to cut off the left arm of a dead Marine so that his "mutilated" body could fit into his uniform, according to the Office of Special Counsel.

The Marine's arm was severed without the consent of the family in an attempt to make the body viewable for the family, investigators said.

James G. Parsons Sr., a whistleblower employee and another embalmer determined the man's remains were "non-viewable." Keel overruled the employees and ordered and unidentified embalmer to saw off the Marine's arm and place the limb inside the Marine's pant leg, according to the report.

Parsons and another employee "were eventually fired and escorted out of the mortuary by security forces. They were called back two days later after intervention from an outside organization," according to mortuary employee William D. Zwicharowski, another of the whistleblowers.

Still, the Air Force's inspector general found no violation of law and argued that the family gave the military "implied consent" to prepare the body for viewing and burial.

Parsons and fellow whisteblowers Zwicharowski and Mary Ellen Spera contended many of the practices under Keel's management were not compliant with funeral industry standards. Keel is no longer the mortuary director but remains employed at the base.

"We ask for permission to remove a beard or mustache; why would we not request permission to remove a major bone?" Zwicharowski wrote in his response letter to the Air Force's report.



Just saw this. Disgusted....what do you all think about this? Just imagine if it was your fathers body, or your brothers body, that they treated this way. What really got to me was the fact that these 3 individuals were not fired...
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This is maybe the worst comparison in the history of comparisons.
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#2
What kind of uniform doesn't have room for arms? A uniform for caterpillars? Terrible.
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#3
Turns out it was to stuff it in his pants leg...as though no one would be like "Hey where's Jeff's arm? And why is there a hand where his foot used to be??"
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This is maybe the worst comparison in the history of comparisons.
#4
Here's some more on it:

Investigators revealed on Tuesday that the military's main mortuary mishandled remains of war dead, losing track of body parts twice and wrongfully removing a limb of a Marine.

The Air Force investigation into the mortuary at Dover Air Force Base in Delaware is likely to add to questions about treatment of America's fallen troops a year after a scandal broke at Arlington National Cemetery over the mishandling and misidentification of remains.

In a letter to President Barack Obama, the chief of the U.S. Office of Special Counsel -- which reviewed the probe -- lambasted the Air Force for a "failure to acknowledge culpability." It also criticized it for waiting too long to notify families of the fallen troops involved.

Air Force Chief of Staff General Norton Schwartz, while accepting blame on behalf of his service, rejected that criticism. He also defended a decision not to fire anyone over the affair and noted that disciplinary action was taken against one military officer and two civilians.

"You should have no doubt about how seriously we took the allegations," Schwartz told a news briefing at the Pentagon.

Asked whether anyone might still be dismissed upon further review, Schwartz responded: "While their performance did not meet standards, this was not a deliberate act."

The OSC, however, alleged there was a "pattern of negligence, misconduct and dishonesty" and questioned the message sent by keeping employees on the payroll.

It also noted that the mortuary director at the center of the allegations fired one of the whistle-blowers, was accused of retaliating against the other two and fired a mortuary inspector who cooperated with the investigation.

STANDARDS NOT MET

Dover is hallowed ground for the U.S. military as the main entry point for returning American war dead. Schwartz commended its employees, civilian and military for their usually careful handling of remains of more than 6,300 Americans since 2003.

"Nonetheless, this is one area where the standard of performance is perfection," Schwartz said.

The Air Force investigation centered on events at Dover between 2008 and 2010 and turned up only a handful of cases of mishandled remains. Schwartz acknowledged he could not certify with certainty "that prior performance met our standard of perfection," suggesting other mishaps were possible.

In one case disclosed in the investigation, mortuary staff severed a Marine's left arm because they were unable to fit the limb into his uniform -- something they needed the family's permission to do. In other instances, the mortuary lost track of the partial remains of Army and Air Force service members.

Defense Secretary Leon Panetta said he was deeply disturbed to learn about "questions involving the possibilities" of mishandled remains and said he supported the investigation's findings. He commended the Air Force for what he said was a thorough response to the allegations.

"Let me make very clear to the families of our fallen heroes that every step will be taken to protect the honor and dignity that their loved ones richly deserve," Panetta said in a statement.

He announced an independent review of overall current operations at the Dover Port Mortuary, which will be led by former U.S. Surgeon General Dr. Richard Carmona.


Obviously, despicable.
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#7
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The cost of more suitable uniforms for the dead must cost an arm and a leg.

I didn't even know the US military was poor. Next thing you know it'll be like WWII Russia, where half the soldiers had ammo, and half of the soldiers were armed.

EDIT: vvv Don't ever look at gore. Ever. Even if you're really curious and you think it might be interesting to have a look, just don't.

Trust me bro, don't ever look at gore. Keep your mind clean.
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#8
How can an arm be so mutilated they had to cut it off to fit? It's either straight or it's not...
If by mutilated they mean skin/muscle is ****ed up, why put it in his pants? It's covered by his uniform anyways?...
Am I missing something?
#9
Well they had to get the meat for their barbeque somewhere, right?

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I didn't even know the US military was poor. Next thing you know it'll be like WWII Russia, where half the soldiers had ammo, and half of the soldiers were armed.

EDIT: vvv Don't ever look at gore. Ever. Even if you're really curious and you think it might be interesting to have a look, just don't.

Trust me bro, don't ever look at gore. Keep your mind clean.

Pfft, tell that to Dreadnought.
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Thanks for the advice. I'm going to put it, along with your other advice, into a book, the pages of which I will then use to wipe my ass.
#10
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Well they had to get the meat for their barbeque somewhere, right?


Pfft, tell that to Dreadnought.

Is that about the gore or the poor army joke?
#11
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Is that about the gore or the poor army joke?

Both. Well, the former really, he'd probably just laugh at the latter and say you're wrong.
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Thanks for the advice. I'm going to put it, along with your other advice, into a book, the pages of which I will then use to wipe my ass.
#13
I don't see the big deal. I'm not my arm, or my leg, or even my brain. I'm the conscious entity that inhabits it. After that's gone, feed me to the wolves for all I care.
#14
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I don't see the big deal. I'm not my arm, or my leg, or even my brain. I'm the conscious entity that inhabits it. After that's gone, feed me to the wolves for all I care.



This is how I felt when I first read about it, but then I imagined this happening to one of my parents or my sister. It's just very disrespectful to the family to treat a body in such a way.
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#15
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Both. Well, the former really, he'd probably just laugh at the latter and say you're wrong.

Eh, Dreadnought's really manly though.
#16
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This is how I felt when I first read about it, but then I imagined this happening to one of my parents or my sister. It's just very disrespectful to the family to treat a body in such a way.


I think it also translates that my parents aren't their arms, or their legs... Unless I'm some sort of freak with no arm/leg-soul-thing....
#17
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Eh, Dreadnought's really manly though.

Dreadnought likes gardening and writing romantic poetry.
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Thanks for the advice. I'm going to put it, along with your other advice, into a book, the pages of which I will then use to wipe my ass.
#18
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Dreadnought likes gardening and writing romantic poetry.

It takes a real man to admit that.

If I was half the man Dreadnought was, I'd be a very short man. But still a very manly man.
#19
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I think it also translates that my parents aren't their arms, or their legs... Unless I'm some sort of freak with no arm/leg-soul-thing....


If someone close to you dies reason pretty much flies out the window and emotion takes the wheel.
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#20
Quote by devourke
It takes a real man to admit that.

He doesn't, though. He hides and says that he works out and he's in the military and stuff. He pretends to be a manly man.

If I was half the man Dreadnought was, I'd be a very short man. But still a very manly man.

You also wouldn't be Kiwi, which is far more valuable than anything else.
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Thanks for the advice. I'm going to put it, along with your other advice, into a book, the pages of which I will then use to wipe my ass.
#22
How silly. The way we treat corpses. It will look quaint 300 years from now. "Hey Merle, pump formaldehyde into that corpse, also put make up on it after you look at it's genitals, wait... Why are you cutting his arm off? That is disrespectful."
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#23
Quote by dann_blood
You also wouldn't be Kiwi, which is far more valuable than anything else.

I think I just got complimented by an Australian for being Kiwi.