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Edit: As suggested, i added the "budget, genres, new or used" info at the end of this post.

Hi everyone!, please excuse my english (currently learning it)

So, there's this overdrive/distortion sound that i always liked sooo much. I've heard it on many studio recorded songs, live shows, and even youtube videos. However, i'm not sure how to get it. I'm not sure if it's the amp, the guitar, the pickups, the EQ, the pedals...i'm very confused.

The usual recommendations are "d00d!!! gEt a tuBE AmP Rait NOOOW!!". But i've already got a tube amp (got it a year ago, sold it months ago, it was a Palomino V15), and seen many videos of all kind of tube amps, and the sound is not like i want it at all, the same with overdrive/distortion pedals, most of them, give the same sound i dont like.

Ok, these videos are examples of the sound that most pedals and tube amps have that i really DO NOT like (i'm not saying it's bad, its just not what im looking for), that fizzy distortion that to me sounds HORRIBLE when playing, it is actually a very common tone.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O_vc9N5lCmw
http://youtu.be/G86WvMLEpQs?t=1m33s
http://youtu.be/NxCNFpVzCI0?t=28s

As you see, those are clips of very common gear.

So...here are the clips of the sound i'm looking for, and like SOOO much, that sounds awesome on solos and rhythms and drool everytime i hear it, i'm pretty sure you've heard it many times.

This is the best example of it (the link takes you right when the solo starts (2:28)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qz0Ll1zyTf8&t=2m28s
That guitar player is very famous on Spain, he always uses Ibanez RG's with V7, V8 and S1 Pickups

You can clearly here it on this video too http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=curjBXgnGz4&t=30s

Those are studio recordings, and may have studio post-processing, however, here's a video of that tone being played "live" (yes, the video starts right when the tone sound begins too (0:30) .
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9QbVTFUYerI&t=30s
He also uses an Ibanez RG with V7/V8 pickups

I started to realize it had something to do with the Ibanez RG's Vintage pickups, but this guy got it fawlessly too...with... a Fender Strat...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4wpd_L4ddPQ

And then i found out that most of the people using that pedal: Washburn (Or Artec, it was the same thing) Soloist Distortion had the same sound i was looking for...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eow1WikEMcU&t=16s (0:16)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gvfkzJD6mEI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Z-_2xuicKM&t=9m30s (9:30)

But on some videos, it sounds very bad too (like the way i don't like), like this one:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k_21W5n_0OU&hd=1&t=5m50s
So horrible.


So... what do you think? Is it the pickups? the amp? EQ Settings? (i think it has something to do with boosted bass and mids), the guitar? the pedals? some kind of weird effect?

Thanks a lot for the long read, i'd love any kind of help.
I use a Jackson DXMGT with EMG's-HZ, i'm seriously thinking 'bout getting an Ibanez RG550 (love the necks, colors and everything about 'em). So guys, what do you recommend me to get? I'm low on budget

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INFO:

Budget: I can spend no more than $300 (amp, pedals, preamps.. depends on what it's needed)

Genres: Well, the tone i described is used on rock, fusion and metal music

I can go with used gear (much prefered, since my budget is low).

Closest City: I live in Mexico, but since and uncle is coming from the USA, i can ship anything to his house (from used stuff from guitar center or Ebay)

Current Gear: MIJ Jackson DXMGT. That's it (i've had 2 amps and many pedals, but had to sell them all ).
Last edited by Lemming16 at Nov 10, 2011,
#2
Well I'd hate to break it to you, but you're still going to need a tube amp. The tones you're looking for just use more power amp distortion instead of preamp distortion.
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Quote by rob904
Well I'd hate to break it to you, but you're still going to need a tube amp. The tones you're looking for just use more power amp distortion instead of preamp distortion.


I can get one (again). Since i play on very small venues, 15W would be enough. Which one would you recommend? Thanks a lot for your answer btw.
#4
You tried one tube amp and decided that tube amps won't going to get you the sound? Even though the tube amp you tried seems to be a blues amp. And tone you want seems to be a more rock/metal tone?
You'll want more than 15W to get that sound.
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^^Its not just getting a tube amp, its getting the amp that gets you what you want. You know the tone you want, aren't there stores around to go try gear until you find what you want?
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#6
If it were me, I'd grab a medium gain tube amp. Something along the lines of peavey classic 30. Something that has an effects loop. Use a compressor to get that extra bit of sustain without too much gain. Delay pedal in the loop. Boost the mids and bass a bit.
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Tbh I think most of the players who have the sound you like would get the same sound out of just about any old crap. I reckon it's a lot to do with them and their ear etc, they know the sound they want, they know how to dial it in, they know how to use there guitar controls etc. If you browse some more on youtube you'll find multiple guitarists all using very similar amps and stuff but all with their very own unique sound. Just my thoughts on it.
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If you would like some good suggestions, your best bet would be to edit your post into a "what amp" thread using THIS FORMAT. That would help us give better advise.
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Quote by bluestratplayer
If you would like some good suggestions, your best bet would be to edit your post into a "what amp" thread using THIS FORMAT. That would help us give better advise.


Thanks!, followed your suggestion, but i can't put that title, since i'm not even sure if it's an amp what i need for that tone, maybe it has nothing to do with the amp :S
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TS - I appreciate your thought process and posting all those clips but honestly most people are not going to listen to all of that.

Quote by bluestratplayer
If you would like some good suggestions, your best bet would be to edit your post into a "what amp" thread using THIS FORMAT. That would help us give better advise.

+1

I was just getting ready to get that link


Quote by Lemming16
Thanks!, followed your suggestion, but i can't put that title, since i'm not even sure if it's an amp what i need for that tone, maybe it has nothing to do with the amp :S

It doesn't matter. If you follow that basic guideline - we can help you figure out the rest.
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#12
I just came across this video...it's pretty weird
So the guy is playing with the normal tone i mentioned that i don't like....but then suddenly at specifically 1:03, the tone starts to change magically into something amazing, just what i like!! how the hell did that happened?!?!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Klc_gr5h_-s&t=1m

The change starts seconds after the first minute of the video, and around 1:34, it goes back to the normal sound i hate.
Last edited by Lemming16 at Nov 10, 2011,
#13
That's called a cheap mic on a vid cam. The sound changed because the angle to the amp/speaker changed when whoever was filming moved.

What bands have the rhythm and lead tones you are looking for?
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Quote by Lemming16
Well, basically, rock/metal, like the music from the first video i posted ( http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O_vc9N5lCmw ), there are plenty of genres where you can use that sound. Lol, i can't believe how that "cheap mic" sound is exactly what i want xD


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#16
the tone is nothing exotic. i could probably pull that out of any of my tube amps, with a few minutes of EQing. dont scoop your mids, i watched one of those videos and it had very pronounced mids, dont be afraid to dial them a little on the high side and for the love of god do not scoop them.

i think that the previous mentioning of a Peavey classic 30 would be a good budget conscience.
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Quote by trashedlostfdup
the tone is nothing exotic. i could probably pull that out of any of my tube amps, with a few minutes of EQing. dont scoop your mids, i watched one of those videos and it had very pronounced mids, dont be afraid to dial them a little on the high side and for the love of god do not scoop them.

i think that the previous mentioning of a Peavey classic 30 would be a good budget conscience.


Yes, i also noticed the sound was like lots of bass and mids and very few treble!.
Do you think it would help changing the guitar? (From the EMG-HZ, to the V7/V8 Pickups).
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Quote by Lemming16
Yes, i also noticed the sound was like lots of bass and mids and very few treble!.
Do you think it would help changing the guitar? (From the EMG-HZ, to the V7/V8 Pickups).


seems like you need to learn how to work with an amp more than anything. the Crate you had wasn't suited to getting that sound without a pedal. if you had taken the time to find out what would work you could have gotten that tone no problem. you won't be getting it out the MG you have listed in your profile. changing pickups isn't the plan until you have a better amp in place. a pickup change is supposed to help you get something that is missing when playing through your gear.
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Quote by monwobobbo
seems like you need to learn how to work with an amp more than anything. the Crate you had wasn't suited to getting that sound without a pedal. if you had taken the time to find out what would work you could have gotten that tone no problem. you won't be getting it out the MG you have listed in your profile. changing pickups isn't the plan until you have a better amp in place. a pickup change is supposed to help you get something that is missing when playing through your gear.


LOL, i sold that MG many many years ago, i forgot to update my profile for a long time.
Right know, i ONLY have the Jackson with the EMG-HZ and $300 to spend.
Thanks for the help.

By the way, an uncle of mine has a vintage tube amp, with 50W and 2x12 (made on the late 70's), as far as i know, its a Fender copy of a 70's silverface. Maybe i can convince him to give it to me. You guys think that would work? However, i still would like your recommendations of an amp.
#20
Get yourself one of the newer multifx, plug it into the FX return of your tube amp, and if you are gigging mic it into the PA. You can get any tone you want.
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Quote by Lemming16
LOL, i sold that MG many many years ago, i forgot to update my profile for a long time.
Right know, i ONLY have the Jackson with the EMG-HZ and $300 to spend.
Thanks for the help.

By the way, an uncle of mine has a vintage tube amp, with 50W and 2x12 (made on the late 70's), as far as i know, its a Fender copy of a 70's silverface. Maybe i can convince him to give it to me. You guys think that would work? However, i still would like your recommendations of an amp.


by itself a fender style amp won't get you that sound. witha distortion pedal then yeah it can be done. what amp exactly is it?
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Quote by Lemming16
LOL, i sold that MG many many years ago, i forgot to update my profile for a long time.
Right know, i ONLY have the Jackson with the EMG-HZ and $300 to spend.
Thanks for the help.

By the way, an uncle of mine has a vintage tube amp, with 50W and 2x12 (made on the late 70's), as far as i know, its a Fender copy of a 70's silverface. Maybe i can convince him to give it to me. You guys think that would work? However, i still would like your recommendations of an amp.


I'd still bug him about it ;D
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