#1
So i recently discovered that there was a BBE Sonic Maximizer 402 in the cabinet that holds the stereo system in one room. My dad knew what it was and was just messing with me by not telling me about it. So can anyone tell me how it would be best used (effects loop, location, purpose etc.)?

After I figure out how to use this I'll make an NPD thread proper.

Thanks guys.
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As far as I know, it just gives a clean boost to your sound. So if you need a clean boost, I would use that. It can help to even out a single coil and humbucker equipped guitar, or add gain for solos.

I would put it before your amp, though I'm not the best to ask about that, and as far as location in the pedal chain, someone else is gonna need to answer that.
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Thanks
Also can it be used for Bass instead of guitar?
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When I used one I used it in the effects loop.
They are pretty useless though
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It's just a high and low end frequency booster. It also causes your sound to become very mid-scooped if I recall. So it's basically worthless.
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Just a word of warning. Maximizers are the guitar gear equivalent of crack. The experience one goes through is identical:

1. The first hit: You hook it up and initially think "Oh MY GOD this the greatest thing EVER DOOOOOD!!!!!111!!!!1! I've found THE tone!"

2. You start using on a regular basis: Buy some model BBE, hook to rig, engage it 100% of the time. Rewrite all your patches.

3. You try to get your friends hooked: Dude, check out my rig, this thing takes it over the top!!!.

4. You go into addiction/denial: Friends think your tone has gone to sh*t but you think it is totally awesome. You start talking msinformed BS about different sound frequencies traveling at different velocities (hint: violation of Newtonian physics).

5. There is an intervention: Friend let's you A/B his non-maximizer rig versus yours in live setting, Yours sounds like over-processed dung, his rocks. He tells you, as a Bro, the BBE must go. You realize the BBE is a band aid for guitar tone and not even a good one at that.

6. You go into rehab: Another "like new" BBE xx2 unit hits eBay.

7. Regret: I wasted a sh*tload of time futzing with my rig, patches, etc, and my tone isn't any better and I'm back to square one. I Wonder what GE-7 pedals are going for these days.

Maybe you should avoid the whole thing. If you must post-process your modelling tone I would strongly suggest an EQ. It's much more versatile and will be long usable after the BBE is gone.

Yes, I'm a former user and I regret ever bothering with it.


that about wraps it up. i saw some BS about phase alignment of some frequency proportion thing... whatever. it's a bad EQ. in the quoted story above i was actually the guy that said "Bro, the BBE must go". he had an early 90's PRS, H&K Triamp, and badass cab loaded with vintage greenbacks, and the BBE sonic maximizer just sucked up all his tone like a starving mid-range harpy from hell.

from what my ear hears, it does well for a DJ or in a PA rack or as a studio tool, but keep it outta the guitar's source signal chain cuz it does nothing for sourced guitar tone.
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#10
The Sonic Maximiser is a rackmounted turd that makes tube amps sound like crap. BBE markets it to be something to make your tone better on guitar but really it's better for studio stuff. It just sounds like a treble booster to me.
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ok so essentially what ur saying is it is a tone sucking 2 band EQ.

I guess I'm lucky that we only payed $1 USD for it.
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My experience with the stomp.... It sounded good off axis, but harsh on axis. I thought it was great, but my recorded tone from micing the cab sounded terrible.
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My experience with the stomp.... It sounded good off axis, but harsh on axis. I thought it was great.


hmmm. maybe you didn't get the memo or something, but uh, we don't like the BBE sonic maximizer. so, why don't ya go ahead and fall in line.
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Yes, it is just an EQ or Tone pedal or whatever you want to call it. If I remember right it's just a modified variable state filter in there. Fancy talk for EQ!

I do have a few versions and they are ok if used sparingly. Not really worth the rack space or a space on a pedal board though.
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It can help a less than stellar amp, but does NOTHING for a good amp.

My Vox AD30VT Valvetronix, it helped.

My AC30, Didn't do shit.
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Sounds good if used subtly and dialed in correctly. Btw no midrange loss at all in my rig but I also know how to dial everything in correctly soooo....
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first off i got one two years ago and its gone now, but i used it for around a year.

it sounded like shit on everything i plugged it into, but my god on the Valve King, it was the one thing (carefully balanced with amp's EQ) that made the VK worth playing. obviously we all know that the VK isn't the greatest amp, but the BBE really made it a lot more stomach-able.

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Sounds good if used subtly and dialed in correctly. Btw no midrange loss at all in my rig but I also know how to dial everything in correctly soooo....


This was my experience as well. Wasn't the greatest thing ever, but it did what it was supposed to do, and in live settings it's kinda' amazing for tightening everything up (if you don't go nuts with your settings). I did notice it murdered any recording it was ever on (in a bad way).
BBE does advertise it as a 'phase alignment' effect. I'm no scientist... my understanding is that sound travels at the speed of sound, no faster or slower depending on frequency, though higher freqs will cover more total distance (like, if you streched the wave form out). Thus, as I understand it, the effect is designed to align the peaks of all waveforms of all frequencies from the given instrument... useful if you know what you're doing, but sounds like a broken ring modulator if you don't.

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EDIT: it's the last thing in your chain (looped) after any and all EQ, though some people perfer to run a reverb and/or delay after it. Anywhere else and... you'll experience unintentional side-effects (depending on the other gear in question).

EDIT2: I've also heard great results using it on a VK, B-52 AT-100, an old blue voodoo... it was a non-factor on both the voodoo modded dual rec and the vh4.

EDIT3: to clarify regarding recording with it, it's impossible to get a decent level while using it without clipping. with all of the waves stacked together, you get crazy spikes. you can slap a hard limiter on there... but i personally ****ing hate the end result on the tone. ymmv. I'm sure someone out there swears by it for [instrument]. i have heard of using it in a technique similar to side-chaining, but i'm not personally familiar with this enough to comment.
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It can help a less than stellar amp, but does NOTHING for a good amp.

My Vox AD30VT Valvetronix, it helped.

My AC30, Didn't do shit.


What he said....If you have a junk amp it might help...If you have a nice amp dont bother.


As for bass, I find it does work much better for bass than guitar BUT...I assume the same rule will apply. Crap amp use it, good amp NOO
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Sonic Maximizer's use frequency dependent delay, which I why 90% of TV and Radio stations will not broadcast without one in their signal flow. The people who said it was useless with a guitar or bass rig obviously have no idea what the Sonic Maximizer is. I would try it both in front of the amp and in the fx loop because it reacts differently in different amps. The concept it runs on is simple, it adjusts the rimming of you lows, mids, and highs to hit your ears at the same time rather than you lows lagging behind. It's adjust for sound physics to make what ever is going through it have its full tone hitting your ears, recording software, whatever it is at the same time.

Also, the 402 is an older model that I think has unbalanced outputs, not sure though off the top of my head.

Also if your suing it without an EQ in front of it, your just wasting time.
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Sonic Maximizer's use frequency dependent delay, which I why 90% of TV and Radio stations will not broadcast without one in their signal flow. The people who said it was useless with a guitar or bass rig obviously have no idea what the Sonic Maximizer is. I would try it both in front of the amp and in the fx loop because it reacts differently in different amps. The concept it runs on is simple, it adjusts the rimming of you lows, mids, and highs to hit your ears at the same time rather than you lows lagging behind. It's adjust for sound physics to make what ever is going through it have its full tone hitting your ears, recording software, whatever it is at the same time.

Also, the 402 is an older model that I think has unbalanced outputs, not sure though off the top of my head.

Also if your suing it without an EQ in front of it, your just wasting time.

You can't make different frequencies of sound travel slower than the speed of sound.
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You can't make different frequencies of sound travel slower than the speed of sound.


Frequency dependent delay, it helps to read sometimes haha. I'm not saying the sound moves slower, it's kinda like cheating in a race where instead of letting the fatasses lose, you push them down the track so that they tie with the skinny kids.

Edit, poor analogy. it's like holding the skinny kids back while the fatasses get a headstart
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Put it this way; there's a debate as to whether or not it does anything at all... That should tell you how useful it is.
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You can't make different frequencies of sound travel slower than the speed of sound.
Assuming that it actually does do what it says.... I would guess that it's compensating for phase alignment in the circuitry not in the sound waves after leaving the speaker.
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Assuming that it actually does do what it says.... I would guess that it's compensating for phase alignment in the circuitry not in the sound waves after leaving the speaker.



Exactly what I trying to explain, thanks
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