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#1
Inspired by this IGN article:

http://games.ign.com/articles/121/1212233p1.html

What are your thoughts on movies, art, or video games that rely on shock factor, and sometimes even use violence for no apparent reason?


Personally, I don't think violence in games is bad at all, but there is a limit. Levels like this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8NMnnMRWJ-0

or this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7GOxHBNMp6s#

Are simply disturbing and do not belong in any video game or movie.
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#2
No Russian was a cool mission. I didn't kill any civilians, but it gave me incentive to take down Makarov.
#3
Sometimes I want to watch a movie that has extreme violence. Sometimes I want to watch a movie about animated animals having adventures. Fortunately, both exist.
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#4
It's your choice to play those games or watch those films, and they come with age rating and all that other stuff on the back of the case; so unnecessary is the wrong word I think...


Ashley
#5
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No Russian was a cool mission. I didn't kill any civilians, but it gave me incentive to take down Makarov.


It disturbed me to the point where I almost didn't even finish it.

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It's your choice to play those games or watch those films, and they come with age rating and all that other stuff on the back of the case; so unnecessary is the wrong word I think...


Ashley


Yeah, but sometimes I wonder why people even make stuff like this. I mean, I play games like that and watch movies in that nature. See, violence is acceptable, when it's driving the story. But when it's used just for the sake of it, especially just to shock people, it can be quite annoying, if you get what I'm trying to say.
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#9
Worse shit than the second one happens every day.

I've just stopped being shocked by them tbh. First time I played No Russian it didn't bother me, and it gives the best way of setting up the storyline that follows. If he'd just walked into an airport with a pistol and killed 3 people, world war 3 wouldn't have escalated.
#10
The first one, you participated in by killing civilians. However, it actually had to do with the plot of the game.

The second one, you don't interact with at all; it's a cutscene and IMO, underwhelming. Has no relevance to the game.

They're both not that big of a deal and there is much worse in movies. Human Centipede, anyone?
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#11
There just games, if mothers don't want their kids playing those games then don't let them play them. They don't have to ruin everyone elses fun.
#12
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There just games, if mothers don't want their kids playing those games then don't let them play them. They don't have to ruin everyone elses fun.

I understand that. I'm just asking how you feel about these "artists" simply sticking in violence just for shock factor.
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#13
Well it is a war game. War isn't just disturbing, it's horrifying. It's cruel and terrifying. Why shouldn't the game even attempt to mimic that?
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#14
and Grand theft auto is just hunky dory yea?
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I understand that. I'm just asking how you feel about these "artists" simply sticking in violence just for shock factor.


I agree the little girl was unnecessary, I think they were going for shock value equals publicity and any publicity is good publicity. Not that they needed it. However the airport massacre was a big part of the story.
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I understand that. I'm just asking how you feel about these "artists" simply sticking in violence just for shock factor.

I think someone already explained that they weren't just for shock factor. The first one apparently set up plot and the second wasn't very shocking. Much worse things happen in movies all the time.
#18
Just watched the new Rainbow 6 Vegas trailer, and the ending literally made me cringe.
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#19
No Russian was a great level, and no I didn't shoot anyone. It really set the mood for the rest of the game. It showed what Makarov was capable of. If the game had just said, "There was a massacre at a Russian airport" it wouldn't have had nearly the same effect. After that level you really knew that he was a bad dude, and that the war actually meant something.

And that scene from MW3 wasn't bad at all. That kind of stuff happens in about every R rated action/horror/disaster/ war movie.

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I understand that. I'm just asking how you feel about these "artists" simply sticking in violence just for shock factor.

Why aren't they "artists?"
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#20
I guess you're not a fan of 120 days of Sodom.

I like it when people try to push limits. Whether it's for an artistic purpose or shock value. Art shouldn't be restrained. If you don't like it, don't play it/watch it.
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#22
the developers need to pull the audience in, they need to evoke feelings from people that live in a violence filled multi-media world. To keep a game interesting and fresh they need their players to feel something, not just frag and spout racially hate filled slander in their headsets. If the gaming world is shocked or talking about something then they succeeded. Unfortuantely it just escalates further and further. Before you know it someone posts knodding had kid and the world cries.
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I guess you're not a fan of 120 days of Sodom.

I like it when people try to push limits. Whether it's for an artistic purpose or shock value. Art shouldn't be restrained. If you don't like it, don't play it/watch it.


True, when you put it that way. I find those kind of levels disturbing, but you're right.
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#25
Somehow I knew as soon as I entered this thread one of those videos was going to be "No Russian".
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Somehow I knew as soon as I entered this thread one of those videos was going to be "No Russian".

That's because it had the biggest overreaction to a level in a video game ever.
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#28
It usually annoys me in films and TV shows when the bad guy kills some random, usually harmless, person purely to prove how bad he is and make us hate him. Often seems like its just a lazy way of presenting your villain.
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#29
The more violent and bloody the game, the less available they should be for everyone's hands. The younger and thus more influential the mind the less likely they should have such types of entertainment available to them.

On the other hand, no form of entertainment should ever be blamed for problems and they should also never have to tone down the violent content.

If you are against violence, don't play the movies/games, it is that simple.
#30
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The more violent and bloody the game, the less available they should be for everyone's hands. The younger and thus more influential the mind the less likely they should have such types of entertainment available to them.

There is not one study that shows that violent games affect kids negatively. Actually, some show the opposite effect.
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#31
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Inspired by this IGN article:

http://games.ign.com/articles/121/1212233p1.html

What are your thoughts on movies, art, or video games that rely on shock factor, and sometimes even use violence for no apparent reason?


Personally, I don't think violence in games is bad at all, but there is a limit. Levels like this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8NMnnMRWJ-0

or this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7GOxHBNMp6s#

Are simply disturbing and do not belong in any video game or movie.

I haven't played video games for years and don't personally care one way or the other. However, the violence in both of those video clips seemed remarkably relevant.

I also don't think there is such a thing as something too disturbing to be put in a game or movie. They are fictional.
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#32
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There is not one study that shows that violent games affect kids negatively. Actually, some show the opposite effect.
Show me...

Not the opposite study, but show me how there has never been studies done to show the violence in entertainment has no negative effects.
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I haven't played video games for years and don't personally care one way or the other. However, the violence in both of those video clips seemed remarkably relevant.

I also don't think there is such a thing as something too personal to be put in a game or movie. They are fictional.
Yeah... Except for movies based on true stories, movies with a plausible plot and movies dealing with real life issues.
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#33
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Show me...

Not the opposite study, but show me how there has never been studies done to show the violence in entertainment has no negative effects.

Don't do it, Phils. The burden of proof is not on you!
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Correct, it is not, but that is not the point. I respectfully asked him to show me the studies he wrote of.
#35
Stuff like No Russian and Davis Vacation or whatever happens IRL all the time. Why sugarcoat it? It's something that's real.
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#36
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Except for movies based on true stories, movies with a plausible plot and movies dealing with real life issues.

You do realize those are still fictional, right? Unless it's a documentary or something. If it's a documentary then the violence / disturbing content is even more relevant because it is for educational purposes.
#37
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You do realize those are still fictional, right?
Of course.
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Unless it's a documentary or something. If it's a documentary then the violence / disturbing content is even more relevant because it is for educational purposes.
Documentaries are not the only form of films that can be taking seriously for educational purposes. They might be the only ones designed to be, but that does not mean they are the only ones that can be.
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Show me...

Not the opposite study, but show me how there has never been studies done to show the violence in entertainment has no negative effects.Yeah... Except for movies based on true stories, movies with a plausible plot and movies dealing with real life issues.

How can he show you that there have never been studies done on that...wouldn't he just have to not present any evidence to prove that?

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#39
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I understand that. I'm just asking how you feel about these "artists" simply sticking in violence just for shock factor.

Well I enjoy these games. In my opinion I feel there is nothing wrong with games like gears of war or grand theft auto. Its just a game. Noone is actually getting hurt so whats the deal? And there is a reason the esrb was created. To warn parents about what is in the game. Like I said before. If you don't want your kids playing the game don't let them play it. Because it annoys me when people try banning games just because they don't want their kid to play it. Just because their kid can't play it doesn't mean that noone in the world should.
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Of course.

I think you should reread my initial post. There was an error in it I had to edit that changed the meaning of what I said. I think that's where this argument is stemming from.
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