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#2

Good. All the people I know who are on jobseekers spend it on drugs and don't look for a job.
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#3
Supporting private companies instead of doing public services?

I can't stress how backwards that is. We're trying to support the economy, so we're going to fill shop's rotas with unpaid labourers, so they can scrape back capital while those working get the minimum dole?

Fuck that.

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Good. All the people I know who are on jobseekers spend it on drugs and don't look for a job.


There are schemes where jobseekers are placed on civil duties, which is far better, and they learn skills in some of those roles such as basic horticulture, driving, among other things.

I know a LOT of people on jobseekers, and believe me they do not spend it on drugs. Jesus, how much can you get for £53 anyway? Most of the people I know are desperate for work. Being on the dole is depressing and very undermining to your self-esteem. Don't do jobseekers down, right now it is NOT their fault that there are so many JSA-ers.
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#4
Good and bad points. Might encourage them to try harder for a job. Could make it harder to find time to look for one.
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#5
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Good. All the people I know who are on jobseekers spend it on drugs and don't look for a job.


Excellent point i'm sure everyone on jobseekers is the same because you know it's not like lots of graduates are finding it hard to get jobs in the current climate and are now being exploited by companies like tescos as free labour. Remember Tesco's pay them nothing.
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Excellent point i'm sure everyone on jobseekers is the same because you know it's not like lots of graduates are finding it hard to get jobs in the current climate and are now being exploited by companies like tescos as free labour. Remember Tesco's pay them nothing.


Oh yeah, I forgot about that. Ignore me then.
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#7
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Good and bad points. Might encourage them to try harder for a job. Could make it harder to find time to look for one.


The companies who do the placements have no obligation to hire anyone, so they can use them then dump them. Also loads of people on the scheme are being misinformed about the 1 week cooling period.
#8
God UK, get your shit together. You're starting to sound like the US.
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#9
I hate this country more and more each day...
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#11
I clicked expecting actual working for peanuts. I think that would be better than this. :/

EDIT: Inb4 someone says things would never be this bad with a communist society.
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#12
They should try and set them up jobs with charities or community projects. They are always in need of volunteers and it'll be a lot more rewarding than stacking shelves for nothing.
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God UK, get your shit together. You're starting to sound like the US.



Except in the US we just give them a liveable wage for free. I know more than a couple people who make a comfortable living in welfare.
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#14
Sounds tough. Work for your shit. You aren't entitled to anything. The further away from communism or socialism, the better living standards.
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**** that with a shitty stick.
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Sounds tough. Work for your shit. You aren't entitled to anything. The further away from communism or socialism, the better living standards.


You best be trollin.
Either that, or your ignorance is showing in abundance. Like an airstrip, with derp-planes coming in to land every five minutes.

Oh, and the landing lights have been put sideways across the runway.
#17
So we are objecting giving free money to people who do nothing now? Sounds fine to me.
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Coincidentally, the unemployment statistics came out today - youth unemployment passed the million mark for the first time since Thatcher, maybe even since before then - statistics started 19 years ago. Unemployment is also up a couple of hundred thousand.

Good plan, government. There are no jobs even though companies are sitting on a ****ton of capital they aren't willing to invest because there's no consumer confidence and no demand, so just make people work for free!
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You best be trollin.
Either that, or your ignorance is showing in abundance. Like an airstrip, with derp-planes coming in to land every five minutes.

Oh, and the landing lights have been put sideways across the runway.


yet you to respond with stupidity, instead of anything useful back.
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#21
I've already made my points in my first post. You posted nothing constructive, you clearly don't understand anything about the economy, the jobseeking system, jobseekers themselves.

"You aren't entitled to anything" - Surely anybody is entitled to the chance, and the help necessary to get back on their feet after losing their job in a tough economic time. (Especially when it's not even CLOSE to being their fault they lost their jobs). Forcing those people into working for private companies is the issue here. Your broadsweep anti-socialist anti-communism comment also reflects your ignorance of the pitfalls of capitalism.
#22
It's a good insentive to stop the spongers going herpaderpfreemoneytowatchjeremykylealldayderp. Everyone else pays the price.

If you're getting money from the government you can at least work for it. 30 hours is a bit too much though. 20 would be nice.. a week of half day voluntary work doesn't sound too bad. Technicaly it's not free money though.. later on you have to start paying it back with tax credits.

Short work experience placements have been really helpful when I was on JSA and it gives the people with jack on their CV a chance to get a job aswell as references. It'd be nice if more smaller business took that up rather than forced to work with big business that don't really care.
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#23
They are not working for free. They are being paid (albeit a small amount).

Would we rather they took benefits and did nothing? I know I wouldn't.

I actually blame Universities. They don't make it well know enough the exact debt you'll incur for a qualification that is useless.

The person in question has a degree in Geology. So do about 9000 other people. How many geologists do we need?
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#24
That's actually a good idea Silent Murder. Small businesses should be able to register with the JSA to accumulate volunteers for work experience. That way, jobseekers would be able to gain skills (not stacking shelf 'skills') in areas they're interested in, and move on having accomplished something useful. Anybody can clean up and stack shelves. Providing they have arms.

I don't see why companies like Tescos and Poundland should be able to farm JSA-ers. It doesn't do good for them.

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They are not working for free. They are being paid (albeit a small amount).


Nowhere near the minimum wage. Which companies would be expected to provide for 'real' employees.


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Would we rather they took benefits and did nothing? I know I wouldn't.
If JSAs don't prove they're looking for work, they lose benefits. (I do know this doesn't always work out, and it's kinda easy to say "hey I applied for jobs. System is flawed here, not the majority of JSAers.)


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I actually blame Universities. They don't make it well know enough the exact debt you'll incur for a qualification that is useless.

Actually, all universities are very transparent about fees, and they all have offices dedicated to help students work out how much debt they'll expect by the end of their courses with living costs and all.

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The person in question has a degree in Geology. So do about 9000 other people. How many geologists do we need?

Right now, lots, since we're running out of fossil fuels and need alternatives, geothermal energy experts (people who know about hot rocks) would be quite nice.
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#25
I'm against any of this happening, but people like you never provide any useful argument for it to stop.
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They are not working for free. They are being paid (albeit a small amount).

Would we rather they took benefits and did nothing? I know I wouldn't.

I actually blame Universities. They don't make it well know enough the exact debt you'll incur for a qualification that is useless.

The person in question has a degree in Geology. So do about 9000 other people. How many geologists do we need?


They're not being paid by the businesses for their labour. They're being paid the same JSA they had before.
#27
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They are not working for free. They are being paid (albeit a small amount).

Would we rather they took benefits and did nothing? I know I wouldn't.

I actually blame Universities. They don't make it well know enough the exact debt you'll incur for a qualification that is useless.

The person in question has a degree in Geology. So do about 9000 other people. How many geologists do we need?

A lot, we need gass, oil, water etc.
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#28
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I'm against any of this happening, but people like you never provide any useful argument for it to stop.


I just did. People at the top dicked over people at the bottom, people at the bottom are now struggling to cope while the top laugh it off, how the hell are they not entitled to support?

edit: Especially, as I already mentioned, the companies that these people are not paying the £53/week 'wage', that comes from taxes. So it doesn't make good sense to force them to work for large companies where they will gain no skills, while the company uses them as staff, sparing money on employment hours, and gaining money from extra staff where necessary! :/

Did you read the article? The girl who said she feels like she's being used as free xmas staff - that is just simply demeaning to her and all in her situation.
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#29
Private sector being granted free access to slave labor? Great plan during a shit economy.
#30
Aww... I thought they were literally working for peanuts at first...

I agree that making them work for private companies is wrong, they should make them clean dog shit at the park or something.
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#31
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Short work experience placements have been really helpful when I was on JSA and it gives the people with jack on their CV a chance to get a job aswell as references. It'd be nice if more smaller business took that up rather than forced to work with big business that don't really care.


They did have that, the Future Jobs Fund (FJF). The Tories cut the program. It also provided me with only paid job I've ever had.

One of the problems for young jobseekers is that even entry level jobs are now asking for a lot more previous experience than they were pre-economic downturn.
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#35
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In April, Tesco filed pre-tax profits of £3.5bn.


****. Off. This is unbe****inglievable, that our tax money is being used to give these cunts free labour.

And it isn't even economically helpful - all it does is create another downward pressure on wages. Argh, ****ing hell. Heading down to St Paul's again soon, I think. Short-sighted/evil/incompetent/corrupt cunts, the lot of them.

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#36
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Coincidentally, the unemployment statistics came out today - youth unemployment passed the million mark for the first time since Thatcher, maybe even since before then - statistics started 19 years ago. Unemployment is also up a couple of hundred thousand.

Good plan, government. There are no jobs even though companies are sitting on a ****ton of capital they aren't willing to invest because there's no consumer confidence and no demand, so just make people work for free!

Why hire people when the British Government has gone back into the slave trade?
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#37
I was on two of these systems last year when I was on JSA.

1st one CTEC was disgusting, at the time it took me an hour to get the bus into town so I asked for a job that was close to the city centre, instead they give me one at Ridgons(spelling?) that's another hour in the other direction. So with 4 hours of travel a day I still say to myself 'this what I'm here for, too get working'. Instead CTEC don't tell me when I start until two days AFTER I'm meant to start unpaid work only because I popped into their offices to find out when I start when they're meant to contact me. They tell the jobcentre it was my fault and I lost my benefits and it took me a fu[cking month to sort them out again.

The second course wasn't so bad because they got me started at a local Oxfam that I still volunteer at now, but it was still a mess with no member of staff knowing what the others were doing.

Any questions I answer a lot, as we still get a few people on these courses come through our doors at Oxfam.
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#39
If this thing is about getting experience. Wouldn't it make more sense for the government to employ them in jobs that are actually in their field of expertise?
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Good. All the people I know who are on jobseekers spend it on drugs and don't look for a job.



And all the people I know called Trowzaa are wankers, so you must be one to. Oh wait that's a horrible generalization on something I can't possibly know for certain. I apologize.


Anyway, this is terrible. Everybody wins except people trying to earn a living. To those who say "You aren't entitled to anything etc" that's bollocks. Before I got laid off the job I was in, I payed my tax like every one else. I tried my best (and might I say a lot ****ing more) than others in my school. Everybody is entitled to earn a wage which they can live on.
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