#1
Ok. MultiEffects vs Modelling amps(Vypyr, Mustang,Spider).
Which one would you guys prefer and which one would have better quality distortion?
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#2
Well, you aren't going to get to far with a MultiFX pedal without an amp.
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#3
Why? Is there a point to this thread?

This'll probably get closed, Vs. threads aren't allowed.
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Why? Is there a point to this thread?

This'll probably get closed, Vs. threads aren't allowed.


He wants to know if amps with modelling tech built into it have better sounding distortion than modelling pedals themselves.

Seems pretty straight forward to me.

Besides, there was a Vs. thread the other day that, as far as I know, didn't get closed at all.
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#5
Comparing what to what though? Some multi-fx sound better than digital modelling amps. If he was comparing say a HD-500 coupled with a Blues Jr or a Vypyr Tube, different story, but he's just asking a vague question that can't properly be answered.

Just saying mate. It'll probably get closed.
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#6
Fine. Say Im gonna run a boss gt-10 or a pod HD500 through a PA. Would that set up be better or would something else like a tube vypyr be better?
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#7
I personally would like the Tube Vypyr more than that set up

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#8
Are you actually? Or are you just trying to save the thread?

In any case, the Vypyr Tube will be better.
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Fine. Say Im gonna run a boss gt-10 or a pod HD500 through a PA. Would that set up be better or would something else like a tube vypyr be better?

The GT10 has terrible distortion.


I would pick the HD500, plus some sort of FRFR amp for the stage, run one out to the PA and one to your amp.

The Vypyr has awesome sounding distortion, but eh HD will be simply put more versatile, since it lets you use 8 effects, and as many of each as you want, (ie an OD into a Fuzz, or Chorus into Flange, or stack OD's etc) while the Vypyr lets you use one of each- stompbox effect (comp, OD, fuzz, chorus, any one of them), amp model, rack effect (again any one) , delay, verb, noise gate. Also, the HD lets you bi amp, and run stereo signal chains (ire left channel Dual Recto with boost, right channel Powerball with delay)- not possible on the Vypyr. It also has things like parametric and graphic EQ's which the Vypyr doesnt have.

The only advantage the Vypyr has is that it has tubes and that doesnt automatically make it better. Both the HD and the Vypyr can dish out comparable tones with proper tweaking.
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The GT10 has terrible distortion.


I would pick the HD500, plus some sort of FRFR amp for the stage, run one out to the PA and one to your amp.

The Vypyr has awesome sounding distortion, but eh HD will be simply put more versatile, since it lets you use 8 effects, and as many of each as you want, (ie an OD into a Fuzz, or Chorus into Flange, or stack OD's etc) while the Vypyr lets you use one of each- stompbox effect (comp, OD, fuzz, chorus, any one of them), amp model, rack effect (again any one) , delay, verb, noise gate. Also, the HD lets you bi amp, and run stereo signal chains (ire left channel Dual Recto with boost, right channel Powerball with delay)- not possible on the Vypyr. It also has things like parametric and graphic EQ's which the Vypyr doesnt have.

The only advantage the Vypyr has is that it has tubes and that doesnt automatically make it better. Both the HD and the Vypyr can dish out comparable tones with proper tweaking.


Ok so if i get a tube vypyr, ill have to buy the sanpera along with it which will cost a lot. But if i get the multi effects processor, i can use it anywhere i want and i wont have to carry my amp everywhere since multieffects can work without guitar amps.

Any way, What would be a good multieffects pedal. Mainly for distortion.
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#11
Pod HD.
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Ok so if i get a tube vypyr, ill have to buy the sanpera along with it which will cost a lot. But if i get the multi effects processor, i can use it anywhere i want and i wont have to carry my amp everywhere since multieffects can work without guitar amps.

Any way, What would be a good multieffects pedal. Mainly for distortion.


The Pod HDxxx, X3, and red-screen RPxxx have the best distortions/amp modelling.

The HD500 is easily the best sub 500 dollar device.
#15
Vypyr Tube, because 1) the tubes do make a difference, and 2) there's something about having an actual amp that a MFX & PA just can't replicate.
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#17
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Vypyr Tube, because 1) the tubes do make a difference, and 2) there's something about having an actual amp that a MFX & PA just can't replicate.


He can always get an FRFR amp down the line, like I did.......
#18
OK thanks guys. I saw a multiFx pedal the other day. It's called the Korg AX3000G. Any idea how good it is?
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Pro Tip - Neck pickup, tone dial rolled all the way off, makes tuners respond WAY more accurately. I only learned this trick fairly recently, and it actually works.
#19
What's wrong with your vypry?
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OK thanks guys. I saw a multiFx pedal the other day. It's called the Korg AX3000G. Any idea how good it is?
It's OK. Aparently you don't live in the US. The Korg is pretty much obsolete here.

Bottom line IMO.... modeling amps are good on a budget, but you are better off with separate components for upgradibility.
#22
No matter how convenient it is, people like seeing amps. Go to a show where everyone plays into a processor/PA and they use a drum machine.

No mojo. At all.
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No matter how convenient it is, people like seeing amps. Go to a show where everyone plays into a processor/PA and they use a drum machine.

No mojo. At all.


The last show I saw had three MFX units. Rather, one POD X3, one XT Rack, and one SansAmp bass DI. Most of the crowd got off their seats and went off to the front to head bang


That said, the drummer had a pretty badass kit......

There was an earthquake in fact, during the performance. We thought it was the double bass when the chips packets started shaking
#26
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What's wrong with your vypry?


Nothings wrong with it actually. My friend and I had a debate recently on whether the vypyrs distortion was better or a korg ax3000g's. He already has a vypyr. So I just wanted to know whether a multieffects pedal will have more quality compared to a modeller like the vypyr.


Ok thanks everyone! Its really inconvenient to change presets on my vypyr when i play live so i might get a multieffects pedal in a year or so. And i play my friends zoom gfx 3 through a keyboard amp and it was better than my vypyr.. SOO.
Thanks anyway guys!
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Pro Tip - Neck pickup, tone dial rolled all the way off, makes tuners respond WAY more accurately. I only learned this trick fairly recently, and it actually works.
#27
Also keep in mind that the Vypyr 15 sounds pretty crappy compared to any of the bigger ones, especially the tube versions.
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#28
Zoom g2.1nu (assuming its the same as my g2.1u except for that new expression pedal)

its freaking amazing and i dont see it recommended enough. and a lot cheaper then competitors
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#29
The problem with MFX into the PA are twofold:
1. You have to rely totally on the sound guy to hear yourself - never a good idea
2. Practically removes the ability to work feedback. You can do it but it is sub-optimal. The only way to do it properly is a big amp and a wall of speakers.
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#30
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No matter how convenient it is, people like seeing amps. Go to a show where everyone plays into a processor/PA and they use a drum machine.

No mojo. At all.

Somewhat. People like seeing the guitar cabinets. Petrucci has two empty 4x12 cabinets behind him live.

ZZ Top uses drum machines, and they got plenty of mojo. Dweezil Zappa has plenty of it too.

Concerts and shows are for listening. Visual should be icing on the cake.

People usually come up and compliment my Diezel or Mesa (depending on the cabinet I use) and refuse to believe I didn't bring the matching head.

The problem with MFX into the PA are twofold:
1. You have to rely totally on the sound guy to hear yourself - never a good idea
2. Practically removes the ability to work feedback. You can do it but it is sub-optimal. The only way to do it properly is a big amp and a wall of speakers.


I run either an amp behind me, or a sweet QSC monitor behind me. I have complete control over my personal monitoring volume. Don't forget you can run the monitor or amp before you send it to the PA... Similar to mic'ing an amp, but instead your just placing a powered speaker or amp in between the processor and the pa.

I get plenty of sound to keep the feedback and sustain going.
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#31
^I either run my RP's 1/4ths to my KB4 and the XLR's to the mixer. Either that, or I run XLR to KB4, and KB4's XLR outs to mixer, if im plugging more than one instrument into it.

EDIT: he has four empty 412's (and fake Mark V heads) and two 212's with subs. Apparently he likes the boom boom of the subs on stagfe his actual rig is miced backstage with an SM57 and a condensor of some sort. The only bit you can actually see is the pedal board.
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