#1
Hi, guys. I'm looking to replace my current amp, a Fender Mustang I (it sucks, but what do you expect for $100?). I now have a budget of about $1000, +/- $100. I need an amp with a tight bass, as I play rhythm with a lot of palm-muted alternate picking, and I like to be able to hear each note individually. I play mostly thrash metal (Kreator, Exodus, Sodom, Megadeth, Testament, Overkill, etc.), but I also need to be able to get some well-defined death metal tones (Death, Deicide, Cannibal Corpse, Behemoth, etc.). I don't care a lot about cleans, as long as they aren't very dirty (duh). I would prefer to get a combo amp. Also, I want something that will perform well at lower volumes (I practice at home and Currently, I'm considering the Peavey 6505+ 112 Combo. From what I've heard, it seems to be a good solution. The only thing I'm a little worried about is the 6L6 tubes; I've heard that they can have a flabby bass and that the EL-34's would be better for the tone I'm going for. So if you have any good combo amps with EL-34's that you think would be good for my style, please don't hesitate to suggest them. Thanks a lot for you help.
#2
One more thing: I'm looking for something that would be good for studio recording, as my band plans to be releasing a demo sometime soon.
#4
Quote by Guitarbaddie
Used 6505 + Used 2x12 cab.

Used 5150 2x12 combo


What's the difference soundwise between 2x12 and 1x12? Thanks.
#5
I highly recommend the Peavey XXX. The crunch channel basically nails thrash tone on it's own, and the lead channel is excellent for death metal (Suffocation and Ana Kefr recorded with XXXs).

Also, I think you have it backwards - EL34s are the flubby ones.

The difference between the 6505 112 and 212 is that the 112 is a POS.
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#7
Quote by darkwolf291
Look around on your local craigslst for a JCM800.
You can probably find one for around a grand.
JCM800 is the amp mot thrash bands use


In the 80s maybe.

The difference between 5150 2x12 and the 6505+ 1x12?

5150 is made in America, I think. better build quality, tighter br00tz, better speakers.

Used of course.

1000 dollars I wouldn't be considering a 600 dollar amp.
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#9
Quote by metalhead613
thanks. also, do you have any opinions on the bugera 6262?


POS Peavey knockoff 6505+ some of their models liked starting fire when they first come out. don't have faith in them. they are owned by Behringer.

some people like the sound better, some say worse but
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Quote by trashedlostfdup
POS Peavey knockoff 6505+ some of their models liked starting fire when they first come out. don't have faith in them. they are owned by Behringer.

some people like the sound better, some say worse but


I thought they worked out their issues though?
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#11
Quote by Guitarbaddie
I thought they worked out their issues though?


this is what i said: "starting fire when they first come out" i was not speaking currently, i am sure the bug has been worked out, but i wouldn't be surprised if there were quite a few out there that didn't get fixed.
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this is what i said: "starting fire when they first come out" i was not speaking currently, i am sure the bug has been worked out, but i wouldn't be surprised if there were quite a few out there that didn't get fixed.




Better off getting an used anything anyways.
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#13
vouching for the bugera sounds sick from my personal experience. also theres ola's video on youtube that makes it sound a whole lot sweeter the the 5150 he demo's :P

u said u were gonna use it in the studio, well wat more perfect then a fully prduced song :P
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v9ghM952BB8
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Quote by EspTro
vouching for the bugera sounds sick from my personal experience. also theres ola's video on youtube that makes it sound a whole lot sweeter the the 5150 he demo's :P

u said u were gonna use it in the studio, well wat more perfect then a fully prduced song :P
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v9ghM952BB8


I can't really hear a huge difference between their tones, but then, you usually can't tell until you go and try the damn thing for yourself. However, I've heard reliability is an issue with the Bugeras, and if the 6262 isn't much better than the 6505, I'll be sticking with the Peavey. Also, I've just realized that I need to factor in a mic (Shure SM57, of course), so my budget for the amp has been dropped to $800 (conservative estimate), and the Peavey 2x12 will not be an option.
#15
I disagree slightly with a lot of the amps suggested. Amps like the 6505 and 6262 have more modern, American voiced sounds. But all the classic thrash bands actually had more of a British voiced sound, often with Marshalls.

For Bugera check out the 1990
I second the Peavey Triple XXX
A boosted Jet City would do nicely
#16
Quote by trashedlostfdup
POS Peavey knockoff 6505+ some of their models liked starting fire when they first come out. don't have faith in them. they are owned by Behringer.

some people like the sound better, some say worse but



My POS knockoff has had zero problems, sounds identical when lined up and blindfolded and also has a better clean channel

Peavey XXX or bugera 333xl would do some nice thrash tones
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#17
Quote by Guitarbaddie
In the 80s maybe.

The difference between 5150 2x12 and the 6505+ 1x12?

5150 is made in America, I think. better build quality, tighter br00tz, better speakers.

Used of course.

1000 dollars I wouldn't be considering a 600 dollar amp.

It still is.
Every band he listed has used a JCM with the exception of Metallica.
They used boosted Plexis, which are a lot like the JCM800
The point still stands, If he wants that tone, a JCM800 will NAIL it.

Regardless, if you want new, a 6505 with a boost will do you.
You'll want a boost to tighten things up.
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#18
I'm not sure if they make a combo version, but you might try the Peavey 6534? It's basically the 6505 with EL34's in it, I believe. I don't know much about it, and haven't tried one myself, but it seems like a fitting option, since the bands you listed use British-made (and voiced) Marshalls, and you're buying an American voiced amp. This seems like a good halfway.

I would personally recommend the Jet City JCA100HDM. It's $800, but you'd have to pick up a cab as well if you don't already have one. It'll get you what you want. If you flip over to the 'tube, check out FastRedPonyCar's demos. He knows his shit and does demos right.

Other than that, you might check out Blackstar, although you're gonna have people tell you they aren't All-Tube. They technically aren't, but don't go off of labels. Try one out and decide for yourself. I've tried them multiple times, and they sound great, although they would require a boost for Death Metal if I remember correctly.

Other than that, the 6505, 6505+, and 5150 are all great options, as are the XXX, 6262 (if you get one of the less fiery ones ) and the JCM800. You MIGHT want to look at the Marshall DSL and TSL series too.
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#19
i retract my recommendations due to this thread becoming a 6505 thread.

u dont need nearly as much gain as the 6505 has for thrash and u can do better for the price.

as mentioned before, a british-voiced amp will get you to the tones u need. along the lines of jet-city of marshal.

mabye if u can find a vintage modern used in your budget + a boost, it can definately do it if u dont mind the 1 channel (but footswitchable gain modes).
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Quote by EspTro
i retract my recommendations due to this thread becoming a 6505 thread.


I tried my best!!!

I'm against the 6505 route too, just because it's so cliche. As soon as someone mentions anything that might be heavier than thrash, 12 people come flying in with "OH DEAR GOD, YOU MUST BUY THE 6505 OR DIE!"

I disagree, although I don't think he should avoid it completely. There are other options out there that are better, but in the end it's up to the TS's ears. I see no reason to skip it completely, but again, there are other options that should be given merit.
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YOU MUST BUY THE 6505 OR DIE!

I believe that is something Ted Nugent might say!
#22
Quote by Blktiger0
I'm not sure if they make a combo version, but you might try the Peavey 6534? It's basically the 6505 with EL34's in it, I believe. I don't know much about it, and haven't tried one myself, but it seems like a fitting option, since the bands you listed use British-made (and voiced) Marshalls, and you're buying an American voiced amp. This seems like a good halfway.

The 6534's unfortunately do not come in combos. Also, the heads themselves are above my budget.
I've found a few JCM800's that are probably within my budget. I'm prioritizing them in the following order (purely by cost):
Marshall JCM800 4212 Combo - $884
1987 Marshall JCM800 50W Combo - $938
1986 Marshall JCM800 2x12 100W Combo - $992
If anyone has any opinions on which will be better, please provide them.
#23
So currently in consideration: Peavey 6505+, Peavey Triple XXX, Marshall JCM800
I'm going for a tone similar to Sodom's Agent Orange, Sadus's Chemical Exposure, Kreator's Enemy of God (with a little less bass), Tankard's Beast of Bourbon, and Exodus's Bonded by Blood.
For good examples of tone from each album (in order): Agent Orange, Certain Death, Enemy of God, Die With a Beer in Your Hand, A Lesson In Violence.
I really love the definition heard in Bonded by Blood, but I also want the "presence" heard in Chemical Exposure, Enemy of God (with a little less bass), and Beast of Bourbon.
I know that part of the tone comes from technique, which is why I've been working for the past few months to perfect my picking articulation.
Again, thanks a lot for your help.
#25
Quote by darkwolf291
For a JCM, you'd be better off with a 2203 or 2204 head, but that last one you posted is a good one.
If you can though, try it out in the store.
Note: You WILL need an overdrive pedal to boost the amp with to get into thrash territory with.
That goes for any JCM you get

That's probably going to put it out of reach of my budget...I may get some GC gift cards for my bday coming up in about a month, but I'm not sure. I'd prefer to be able to get everything with my current budget.
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Quote by darkwolf291
The amp is $900. Try talking them down if you can. It never hurts to try and haggle with them.
You can grab a Digitech Bad Monkey for $50. It's a good budget boost.

Well...the amp is in San Fransisco. I live about an hour's drive away from there...if I can convince my parents to drive me there, I could try it out. However, GC usually doesn't cooperate with haggling, so I think it would still be too expensive to get a pedal with, considering my budget. I'll definitely keep it under consideration, though.
#28
If that really is too much, then I'd look into the Jet City JCA line.
Great amps. Once again, you'll need a boost, but they're pretty cheap.
If you need lower volume, I'd get the 20w.
It comes in either a head or a combo, so you can take your pick.
Still gonna need a boost.
If you go with the 20, I'd grab an Ibanez TS9.
#29
Quote by darkwolf291
If that really is too much, then I'd look into the Jet City JCA line.
Great amps. Once again, you'll need a boost, but they're pretty cheap.
If you need lower volume, I'd get the 20w.
It comes in either a head or a combo, so you can take your pick.
Still gonna need a boost.
If you go with the 20, I'd grab an Ibanez TS9.

The 20w head seems interesting...I'm leaning towards the JCA22H 20W head for the simple reason that it has 2 channels, even though it's $150 more. And at $400, it's well within budget. However, I can't try it anywhere near home...
Should I go off of YouTube demos or not get it if I can't try it?
#31
How about an AMPEG SS-140C or VH-140C? Anyone have them? I found a few covers on YouTube and I love the tone.
#32
^^ I thought the Jet City 20 watters were based on the Soldano Lucky 13?

^ Yeah, you should def consider an Ampeg VH-140C. Br00talz!

For fun I poked into your local craigslist (well - kinda local) and HOLY CRAP you've got an active Clist. Most of these amps here were posted in the last few days. I'm not saying all of these are perfect for you but it might give you some other ideas.


http://sfbay.craigslist.org/eby/msg/2689152280.html Rivera Clubster
http://sfbay.craigslist.org/eby/msg/2715024080.html Studio Caliber
http://sfbay.craigslist.org/eby/msg/2714895520.html Single Rec
http://sfbay.craigslist.org/sfc/msg/2715086215.html DC-5
http://sfbay.craigslist.org/sby/msg/2714831409.html 6505+
http://sfbay.craigslist.org/sfc/msg/2702138549.html Rocker 30
http://sfbay.craigslist.org/eby/msg/2704584731.html Maverick Dual Rec
http://sfbay.craigslist.org/eby/msg/2697005869.html Mark III
http://sfbay.craigslist.org/sby/msg/2712308202.html Marshall TSL
http://sfbay.craigslist.org/pen/msg/2677115103.html Egnater Renegade
http://sfbay.craigslist.org/sfc/msg/2712178739.html Mesa TA15
http://sfbay.craigslist.org/eby/msg/2711493994.html Carvin V3 Halfstack
http://sfbay.craigslist.org/sfc/msg/2710997731.html Mark IV
http://sfbay.craigslist.org/nby/msg/2710290634.html JCM900 Dual Reverb
http://sfbay.craigslist.org/scz/msg/2709967596.html JSX
there was also a Mesa Rectoverb head but it was pushing your budget
#33
Quote by jkielq91
I disagree slightly with a lot of the amps suggested. Amps like the 6505 and 6262 have more modern, American voiced sounds. But all the classic thrash bands actually had more of a British voiced sound, often with Marshalls.

For Bugera check out the 1990
I second the Peavey Triple XXX
A boosted Jet City would do nicely


I second taking a look at the Bugera 1990. I've had one for almost 2 years now and it's a great amp for thrash. You'd being looking at $400 for the amp and that leaves plenty of room in your budget for a nice cab and an OD. I use a Bad Money with mine. Does a fantastic job.

FULL DISCLOSURE:
Some people have had bad experiences with Bugera and some haven't. I can tell you that I sent my Bugera in under warranty for repair and they were slow to react. The issue was with the power cord that shipped with it and not the actual amp. It shorted and fried something. Bugera sent me a brand new one. My experience was kind of meh bordering on the positive, but it is a great sounding amp for a good price.
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#34
Quote by 311ZOSOVHJH
^^ I thought the Jet City 20 watters were based on the Soldano Lucky 13?
The 5212 is based off the Lucky 13, the 20 watt ones are based off of the Astroverb and Atomic 16.

If you go the Jet City route, I'd suggest going for one of their higher-wattage heads, the 50h or 100h. They're more versatile, have more headroom and better cleans, and they'd be better for your death metal stuff, too. If you need it quiet for bedroom practice, use the volume knob.

Or a Carvin V3. I've seen entire fullstacks of them go for $1,200, and that will suit you perfectly.

I don't agree with the 6505 recommendations, though. The 6505 is more of a Metalcore amp than anything, not great for thrash. I mean, it can do it but it's not really voiced for it.
#35
I found an Ampeg 2x12 VH140C Combo on Craigslist for $450. There's a good chance I'll get it. Any opinions?