Poll: Favourite tonality?
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View poll results: Favourite tonality?
Major
12 21%
Minor
23 41%
Modal
11 20%
Atonality
10 18%
Voters: 56.
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#1
Studying music, I have to address this question A LOT. Where does the point between music and noise start/end? And how do you bridge the gap between tonality and atonality?

I personally feel, to begin with, atonal music was just avant garde composers trying to be a bit clever, with the 2nd Viennese school and the like. But studying Stockhausen in depth has made me rethink my opinions. Modern classical music seems to have no place in our world and the only times you'll hear new music written for full orchestra, with a coherent key, in the mainstream is in films.

What is your opinion pit? Also, what is your favourite tonality?
#3
I think you know fine well that 98% of the pit has no idea what any of that means.


You're just trying to look clever, you dick.
#4


Quote by sam b
I think you know fine well that 98% of the pit has no idea what any of that means.


You're just trying to look clever, you dick.


Also this
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#6
Quote by sam b
I think you know fine well that 98% of the pit has no idea what any of that means.


You're just trying to look clever, you dick.


Like dem damn africa garden musicians!

OT: Could you give me any specific Atonal piece?
#8
My favourite is Major.

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#9
Minor is the one I use the most in composition but nothing impresses me more than something written brilliantly in atonality.
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#11
Mars Volta is lush and they have loads of atonal shizzle goin on as well as tonal (whatever that all means, you prob mean dissonance)...

so I guess both, just listen to whatever ****s your ear pussies the best brah
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#12
whatever the hell sounds good. It doesn't matter to me.
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#15
Quote by jazz_rock_feel
You're studying music and this is your perception of 20th/21st century art music?


I just don't like it. At least when Schoenberg was writing expressionist music, it had a purpose. Serialism is just dull. An opinion hardly diminishes from my knowledge of it.

And Sam, no I was interested in what people thought. I didn't think any of it was that intensive.

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#17
I think that when you can't tell what they're trying to do is when it's gone too far.

In the works of Schoenberg/Webern, it doesn't sound very pretty, but you can understand it. But with some of the really weird Avant-Garde pieces, where you try to work out what they're doing, and just don't see any point, I don't like calling it music.
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#20
None of the above. Extreme chromaticism, bordering on atonality (and possibly having a few atonal passages), but not actually being atonal.

I do love atonal music, though. And modal stuff like Gregorian chant and organum is something I think everyone should check out.
#21
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TS, have you ever heard this ?


I lurve Webern. <3

The other two were amazing as well. Certainly qualifies as music.
#22
Quote by jazz_rock_feel


Before I clicked those links, I knew it would Webern, Schoenberg and Berg

I'm a traditionalist, my favourite composers are Debussy, Beethoven and Dvorak. A lot of modern music just doesn't blow me away

Some I really like, like kontacte and other Stockhausen works, but meh to most of it. I like this as well.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SZazYFchLRI
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#24
Quote by TimTheWizard
Mars Volta is lush and they have loads of atonal shizzle goin on as well as tonal (whatever that all means, you prob mean dissonance)...

so I guess both, just listen to whatever ****s your ear pussies the best brah

That's because Omar understands two things. Minor keys written in 6/8 and editing noise together because he doesn't know how to end passages.
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#27
There was a modern artist who tied a dog up in an art exhibit and left it there to starve to death. That was his 'piece'. This is how I feel about most serialism and other 'modern' music.
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#28
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yztoaNakKok

It doesn't really make any sense at all unless you watch the graphic score. Xenakis loved him some graphic notation.

Holy shit, leave a warning on this to tell people not to click on it.

For God's sake.
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#30
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There was a modern artist who tied a dog up in an art exhibit and left it there to starve to death. That was his 'piece'. This is how I feel about most serialism and other 'modern' music.

I'm aware of transgressive art, but, uh, source please? I find it incredibly difficult to believe that would be allowed, unless it happened in like the '30s or something when they didn't give a shit about animals.
#31
I put down atonality because I like to mix things up for a sort of 'ambiguous' sound. Otherwise I would have voted minor (especially if it includes harmonic minor etc...)
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#33
Any of it, play whatever sounds good. You can use chromatic shit in rock music easy anyway http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HMDGO8RjJEg

Then things like this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qhgKz5shMqM
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#34
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Holy shit, leave a warning on this to tell people not to click on it.

For God's sake.

It could be worse; I could have linked to Merzbow or Whitehouse.
#35
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Had to study this for my last school year http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0eUBCBjunrc

I like this. A lot. I don't see why these people are bitching.

After clicking that link I had to hug my dog and give him the rest of my sandwich.
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#36
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#37
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'Once you take yourself too seriously the art will suffer.' - Maynard James Keenan.

That explains it.
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#39
More importantly, why does someone need to pay a couple kids to catch a starving dog?

I know a fellow who did a similar thing with some bugs he caught. Either the people could push a button to smash the bugs, or they could starve to death. That guy is a prick.

'Course, I've been watching bug fights all week...
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#40
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...Okay. Dude's a massive dick of the highest echelon, although I can sort of see what the work might mean.

But that meaning is basically destroyed by the fact that he himself did nothing to help the dog. Whether or not anyone else did is sort of moot when he didn't do anything himself.

I think it's taking it a too far to consider that single example as a microcosm of contemporary art, though. I agree that that particular work is more or less impossible to defend, but what exactly does that have to do with serialism, exactly? Serialism isn't shock art. It's also dead as a musical movement, so practically nobody writes serialist compositions anymore.
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