#1
I'm looking to start building a bass rig. Here's what im thinking about starting with...

Bass: Danelectro Silvertone

Amp: Older Ampeg B-15 w/ Ampeg Micro 200watt head, or a Fender Bassman 12" (Or should i get a Bassman Duo 10"?), or Ampex 2x10" Portaflex w/ PF-350 Head

Pedals: Im thinking i'll go with a basic set up. I would like a pedal tuner, but other than a fuzz box, I cant think of any other pedals I would need. Maybe a "wah" pedal just to get weird? Let me know if I need any other pedals.

What do you guys think? I'm going for an older sound. But I still like a a beefy tone. I'm a sucker for cool older gear.
#2
not a fan of danelectro basses, in my experience (played 2) they've been fairly poorly made, and are easy to break. they do sound good though. could try something like a squier vintage modified, ive got the jag and had a p bass and they were both great.
#3
a dano longhorn etc. are great basses, maybe not as roadworthy as a Peavey T-40 but it's a good bass.

Whats your budget exactly? I wouldn't bother with a vintage dano ridiculous prices right now, and buying a vintage cab always seems weird cause the speaker can only get worse. And the micro ampeg gear is supposed to be very mehhh, the GK Mb200 head for what your doing would be great, I have it, 200 watts 2 pounds. for vintage looks and sounds, theres a kustom head with a tube preamp thats like $300.
#4
The MB200, as nice as it is isn't going to be great for "older" sounds. I find them to be very modern and "hifi". I'd stay away from the Micro-VR and probably the PF stuff too, you can do better.
Can't comment on Dano basses as I've never played one but they've always looked fragile to me, I'd stick with a nice P or J but that's just me.
You say you want an "older" sound but that's still pretty damn broad. Can you give us some examples of a couple of different bass player's tones you like?
Basses:
Fender Precision Bass
Fender Jazz Bass
1967 Fender Coronado Bass II
Warwick Star Bass
Squier Precision Bass TB
#5
You don't need any other pedals, if you cannot think of anyone.


If you want to have some pedals, just to play around that's a different story.

But If you don't imagine yourself using pedals, just don't think about buying some: that would be a waste of money, i think.
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Hartke Ha3500 head - Gallien Krueger 212MBE cab
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#6
As far as Basses are concerned, i'm not looking to get a P or J bass. Dont get me wrong, i like those basses alot, but i dont want them for my first bass (even though they would probably be a more versitile first bass). I see them everywhere and I want to hear a different tone from a bass.

Here are two basses im looking at right now...

http://www.ebay.com/itm/New-Hofner-CT-Club-Bass-Cherry-Red-/230706483090?pt=Guitar&hash=item35b72d8f92

and

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Danelectro-Dead-58-Longhorn-4-String-Electric-Bass-Guitar-/270856385109?pt=Guitar&hash=item3f104c7255

My only question with the longhorn is: do they make the longhorn with the full size neck?

My main influence for the choice in tone would be Byron House (Band of Joy - Robert Plant experimental group).

I'll check out some more amps.
#7
Quote by JD.15
not a fan of danelectro basses, in my experience (played 2) they've been fairly poorly made, and are easy to break. they do sound good though. could try something like a squier vintage modified, ive got the jag and had a p bass and they were both great.


My thoughts exactly... I have a Squier Vintage Modified Jazz Bass, and it is excellent. I actually like it better than some American Fenders that I've played. Highly recommended!
#8
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The MB200, as nice as it is isn't going to be great for "older" sounds. I find them to be very modern and "hifi". I'd stay away from the Micro-VR and probably the PF stuff too, you can do better.
Can't comment on Dano basses as I've never played one but they've always looked fragile to me, I'd stick with a nice P or J but that's just me.
You say you want an "older" sound but that's still pretty damn broad. Can you give us some examples of a couple of different bass player's tones you like?


I know it's a modern sound, but when he describes older, I assume he's looking for a tape wound/flat wound bass sound, and old school bass amps are low wattage tube amps, like the fender bassman or using the fender showman/bandmaster. They weren't going into overdrive too much, and they instead got a thick warm sound. That being said, tube amps compared to modern SS amps don't sound all to different unless overdriven. If he's trying to stay in budget a vintage or modern tube amp won't keep him there, and a vintage SS amp usually sounds bad which kept people using tubes. A MB200 low mids and bass boosted treble knocked back and high mids around 12 would be a convincing enough old school tone, as well as any number of modern hi fi tones as well, and a sansamp of any kind will just add more options. There are a tone of other amps out there, but the GK I just happen to have played, and know it's small, cheap and sounds good, which seems to be a big part of his criteria.

I think the P and J are safe bets, but they are that safe, there are a lot of crappy basses out there, and we tend to steer new users to the safe bet of the VM/CV squier P and J, but if it's a known good bass why steer away? Search dano basses on google and TalkBass etc. all say nice things, it's a love it or hate it bass, the looks drive off people and they become quick naysayers, I'd kill to have a dano. If you care for your gear at all, it won't be broken, I treat all my basses and guitars as if they were fragile especially around the neck, and I've yet to have an issue. John Entwistle of The Who used one as have countless others as well.
#10
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No. Nobody NEEDS a hot-hand (or any other pedal): It comes down to personal preference.
Gear:


Fender American Hand Stained stratocaster
Fender 72' Telecaster Deluxe FSR

Squier Vista Venus

Boss TU-3
Boss OD-3
Pro co Rat 2
EHX Big Muff Nano
EHX Small clone
Boss DD7
Hardwire Supernatural


Vox AC30cc1
Blackheart Little Giant stack
Last edited by Fishybones at Nov 29, 2011,
#11
I love the dano longhorns and after I get a Fender Pbass, it will probably be my next bass of purchase. They do have a very vintage sound and I happen to like the way they play.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aHRqY96DI5U

Yeah that tone.
#12
Quote by anarkee
I love the dano longhorns and after I get a Fender Pbass, it will probably be my next bass of purchase. They do have a very vintage sound and I happen to like the way they play.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aHRqY96DI5U

Yeah that tone.


Do they make a full size neck? I heard they did but i havent seen one
#13
I was more hoping for swaps as I don't wanna invest too much into it, but give me something to give me a foot in the bass door.
#15
Quote by Fishybones
No. Nobody NEEDS a hot-hand (or any other pedal): It comes down to personal preference.

He NEEDS it.


NEEDS it.
#16
Quote by Max-Roach
Do they make a full size neck? I heard they did but i havent seen one


Dano does yearly reissues and sometimes some variations of. That being said, nearly everything Dano is going to be found on the used market. What you see on their website will give you an inclination of whats out for this current time, then search accordingly, but everything else just do a Want Ad on Craigslist.

I sometimes wonder about Danelectro's business model, I can't see how releasing a random slew of guitars every year without keeping like 2-3 standard models works???
#17
Quote by askrere
Dano does yearly reissues and sometimes some variations of. That being said, nearly everything Dano is going to be found on the used market. What you see on their website will give you an inclination of whats out for this current time, then search accordingly, but everything else just do a Want Ad on Craigslist.

I sometimes wonder about Danelectro's business model, I can't see how releasing a random slew of guitars every year without keeping like 2-3 standard models works???


Yeah its kinda weird but i think that makes me like them even more. Im pretty much set on either a full size long horn, or a silvertone, a Cassidy, or a Hofner Club. Im leaning more toward the Cassidy and the Hofner club
#18
the Jack Cassady epiphone hollowbody? People love them I hear.

Also I saw on your pedals your wants. Get a GFS (guitarfetish.com) tuner pedal, cheaper than the competition and really good. A fuzz is good, try and find a russion muff or the bass muff. As for the wah, a regular wah is kind of a hassle IMO, I use a Qtron autowah, and it definately fits the funky, garage rock even stoner vibe (see Sleep-Dragonaut). Overall if you can get a good tone, stick there, pedals are fun but when you find a happy tone your hard pressed to use one for long.
#19
Yes, the Jack Cassidy. I love the tone on that bass!

Thanks for the pedal options! Yeah, i heard an autowah on a bass rig and it was one of the coolest things ive heard a bass player use. I know there are a lot of different tones out there so whatever i find that sounds good, i'll jot it down.

Question: I saw a pedal called a "Maximizer". I was wondering if this would be a good pedal to have?
#20
Sonic maximizer? They do make your tone sound nice, but in all it's forms all it is, is a mid booster, with knobs for bass and treble or something. Any EQ pedal, or rack unit with boosted mids is close enough and usually cheaper, or at least more tweakable.
#21
I'm looking for a older roots-rock/rock-a-biliy sound anyway so i should probably stay clear of too many pedals.
#22
I get a good thump with my mustang reissue, tone 3/4 toward bassy and flats. boost the bass 3-4, and low mid 4-6, slight high mid boost 1-2, and drop the treble to like 9-11. No need for pedals at all except maybe some overdrive (sansamp) the rest really just adds flavors to jams, I don't think every song needs every pedal, but I'd never buy a pedal to use on one part of one song.

I think my pedal board once put together will be bass > GFS tuner > Boss OC-3 > EHX QTron > EHX Russian Big Muff > amp

I'll be using a lower wattage tube rack mount system. so no need for the drive, and this way I can go anywhere from funky pop to doom to synthy freakouts. I'd consider using my chorus but I keep it handy now for my ancient Casio setup to pipe organ for creepy medieval ambiance
#23
Damn i love that setup! The reason i wanted an autowah was one time I heard the bass player/lead singer of a band called Kinkador use an autowah on a song...and it sounded ridiculous!

Im also looking at amps. I would really like to have a separate head/cab but if there is a combo out there that sounds really good and can light up without me having to crank the shit out of it then im game (like a bassman or something like that)
#24
yea, autowah def makes the porno sound track noises.

A bassman combo like the 50's tweed 4x10 is from what I've read just doesn't work as a bass amp, it's open backed and thus little low end is produced, it really was called a bassman when in actuality it was a guitar amp with a little more wattage than a then contemporary guitar amp. It can be used for that sound, but so few bass players back then liked them and within a few short years the bassman heads came about. Also, reissues I think are equipped with guitar speakers due to the primary user.

It's kind of the consensus around here, that tubes are great for a overdriven bass tone, but at un-cranked volumes they don't really stand out much from a SS amp EQ'd right. Also nearly every bass tube amp produced today is trying to vie for the same tone as the Ampeg SVT line. Most vintage tube amps are expensive (save a lucky silverface or even blackface bassman find) and then cost tubes and probably a costly tech bill. I'm only wanting a tube amp because I am wanting a heavy driving tone.

a good 200-300 watt SS amp bass and low mids boosted into a 1x15 or a 2x15 driven by your Jack Cassady strung with flats would be a great thumping tone, and have the headroom to perform clean.

You may want to consider a sansamp bass driver or VT, they have a great ampeg, bassman, tube warmth etc sims, and they DI out so you can have onstage and house sound great.
#26
Quote by chantastic
Just wondering, whats your budget OP?


Seems kind of open if he can drop on a vintage Ampeg b-15, EPI Jack Cassady, and potential pedals.